| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Fallacy
Joined: 29 Jun 2015
Location: ex-ROK
|
 Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:50 pm Post subject: RE: OMG |
 |
|
| PRagic wrote: |
| ....forgot to add that tenure is granted usually at the rank of full professor, so anyone with tenure has been a professor for about 10 years. Odds are that they're making more than 50-60. |
Odds are additionally that beyond the bounds of academia these tenured faculty are legal citizens of the ROK. That applies to PRagic's situation, if I am not mistaken. How did a thread about part-time work evolve to discussion of tenure? Ironically, there is a tenuous connection, as the current trend in ROK higher education is turning previously tenured faculty into part-time staff. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
JohnML
Joined: 05 Jul 2015
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:11 am Post subject: Re: RE: OMG |
|
|
| Fallacy wrote: |
| PRagic wrote: |
| ....forgot to add that tenure is granted usually at the rank of full professor, so anyone with tenure has been a professor for about 10 years. Odds are that they're making more than 50-60. |
Odds are additionally that beyond the bounds of academia these tenured faculty are legal citizens of the ROK. That applies to PRagic's situation, if I am not mistaken. How did a thread about part-time work evolve to discussion of tenure? Ironically, there is a tenuous connection, as the current trend in ROK higher education is turning previously tenured faculty into part-time staff. |
| Fallacy wrote: |
| PRagic wrote: |
| ....forgot to add that tenure is granted usually at the rank of full professor, so anyone with tenure has been a professor for about 10 years. Odds are that they're making more than 50-60. |
Odds are additionally that beyond the bounds of academia these tenured faculty are legal citizens of the ROK. That applies to PRagic's situation, if I am not mistaken. How did a thread about part-time work evolve to discussion of tenure? Ironically, there is a tenuous connection, as the current trend in ROK higher education is turning previously tenured faculty into part-time staff. |
They are and they are professors (non assistant level) - what he calls "fully tenured", they are both making in that region. However it does seem that making 70-80 happens (a quick web search showed this), so he's right on that account. He also admitted it was hard to find a tenured position and although I knew positions were getting less and less, I did not know they were transitioning full time tenures into part time work. I think his accounts are pretty reasonable.
It's not really a tasty prospect no matter how I spin it and although a career in academia seems nice, I am in a really good position now and can't complain about anything. There's no guarantee that in the decade it would take a person to get into that position it'll be any easier to get tenured. In fact it's looking harder every passing year. My experience of PhD students is low paid research work or university lecturers. Also as he said the pay back home is the same (can confirm this also), so when you go back you are getting a pretty low salary.
I had considered doing consultation on top of an academic route, my rate was $700~ daily back home (because I don't have THAT much experience). However getting that in Korea at my current level on a part time basis - not a chance. Anyway it was probably me who dragged this topic into a discussion of tenures so apologies if it's gone off topic. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
|
| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:33 am Post subject: |
|
|
Don't need to have permanent residency to achieve the rank of full professor with full tenure. In fact, most of the full prof/full tenure people I know just have the academic visa. Their spouses aren't Korean and they haven't bothered with getting permanent residency.
Your friends are probably full professors with tenure as tenure in Korea is generally not granted at the associate professor level.
Consulting is a definite option, but it's best to keep it to a minimum until you're fairly established and don't need to worry about promotions or job security. Too many things going on in terms of research and professional activity until you make full prof with full tenure, or at least there are if you actually want to make it that far. Still, it's tough to turn down 300-500 for a lunch meeting where people just pick your brain.
Not sure what you mean about 'turning previously tenured faculty into part time staff." You mean that after a tenured prof retires, they just use adjuncts? That probably would only happen if it were a dying department with anemic grad student numbers. Otherwise, as there is usually only one or two specialists by sub-discipline, they'd need to hire another TT prof to perform grad and PhD guidance.
There was some momentum in Tennessee to actually 'de-tenure' sitting, though unproductive and/or redundant faculty, but, boy, did that ever cause a shite storm lol... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Fallacy
Joined: 29 Jun 2015
Location: ex-ROK
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:18 am Post subject: RE: OMG |
|
|
| PRagic wrote: |
| You mean that after a tenured prof retires, they just use adjuncts? That probably would only happen if it were a dying department with anemic grad student numbers. |
This. Exactly. Early retirements, leaves, consultancies, and the like, all converting status on paper while continuing on as staff teaching exactly the same courses as before, operating out of the same offices, etc. Definitely a new trend in budget saving and job sharing, though maybe not at the ivory towers in Seoul, that is sweeping the nation. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:16 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Interesting. First I've heard of it. Wonder which departments. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
| http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=66409 |
-B.A.degree : 1.9 million won per month before taxes
-M.A.degree : 2.0 million won per month before taxes
I can't believe how far uni salaries are falling. (>_<) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| World Traveler wrote: |
| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
| http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=66409 |
-B.A.degree : 1.9 million won per month before taxes
-M.A.degree : 2.0 million won per month before taxes
I can't believe how far uni salaries are falling. (>_<) |
It's actually a unigwon but anyway. It also looks like you get paid 25,000 for anything over 18 hours (28 hours = 2.9 mil) , so 22 hours a week as they do in public schools would give you 2.3 mil a month. Not so bad. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Fallacy
Joined: 29 Jun 2015
Location: ex-ROK
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:18 pm Post subject: RE: OMG |
|
|
| Did you see the reprimand directed at a brief exchange between Fallacy and edwardcatflap over on the "University Hiring Season" thread? To be clear, as my statement about revealing salary being a private matter were in support of yours on the broader issue of over-reported figures, and as it was not involved in the back and forth of other posters, not sure what conclusions to derive there. Anyway, just that, carry on with the continuing discussion of amounts and figures. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: RE: OMG |
|
|
| Fallacy wrote: |
| Did you see the reprimand directed at a brief exchange between Fallacy and edwardcatflap over on the "University Hiring Season" thread? To be clear, as my statement about revealing salary being a private matter were in support of yours on the broader issue of over-reported figures, and as it was not involved in the back and forth of other posters, not sure what conclusions to derive there. Anyway, just that, carry on with the continuing discussion of amounts and figures. |
It was bizarre. Like he didn't read it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Fallacy
Joined: 29 Jun 2015
Location: ex-ROK
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:26 pm Post subject: RE: Okay, so it's not just me |
|
|
| Right. Moi aussi. I even re-read the thread from start to finish to be sure, and still did not get it, though going through all the posts was re-entertaining, so not a total loss of time. Great. Thanks for that. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Fallacy
Joined: 29 Jun 2015
Location: ex-ROK
|
| Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:37 pm Post subject: RE: OMG |
|
|
| PRagic wrote: |
| Interesting. First I've heard of it. Wonder which departments. |
Check the minutes from administrative meetings to see for yourself. I first saw it outlined as a concept 2 years ago, and now see the details on which faculty/departments are selectively implementing it. Just bureaucratic minutiae, and not something discovered from water cooler chat. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
