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For current GEPIK teachers, what happens in 2018

 
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oatmeal



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:57 pm    Post subject: For current GEPIK teachers, what happens in 2018 Reply with quote

I've been with my school over 5 years now and was thinking about not renewing next year. But today they told me they want to keep me and for the next 2 years (2016-2017, then 2017-2018). But not sure exactly, I think I heard them say something like we only have 2 years left anyways (meaning until Feb.2018). March 2018, all GEPIK will be replaced by EPIK i think.

My question is: does this mean that even if the school still wants to keep you in 2018 and beyond, they can't? Does this mean that no matter what, if you are a GEPIK teacher right now employed by your public school, when March 2018 comes, we all all be FORCED to leave our schools because EPIK is going to bring in their own hired teachers?

I don't get this. Why couldn't they just transfer the current GEPIK teachers over to EPIK without firing us first and then re-hiring us if we re-apply? It sounds like that's what it is.

Does anyone know or can confirm this is true or not? So basically, 2018 march is like a COMPLETE RESET? Everyone will be fired and EPIK hired teachers will replace all GEPIK teachers? I thought the only difference was that GEPIK (the education program) was being taken over by EPIK, but all the employees just dolly over to the EPIK conditions.

So as a GEPIK teacher, I'm getting fired in Feb. 2018 and EPIK hired teachers will replace me at my school in March 2018?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:35 am    Post subject: Re: For current GEPIK teachers, what happens in 2018 Reply with quote

oatmeal wrote:
I've been with my school over 5 years now and was thinking about not renewing next year. But today they told me they want to keep me and for the next 2 years (2016-2017, then 2017-2018). But not sure exactly, I think I heard them say something like we only have 2 years left anyways (meaning until Feb.2018). March 2018, all GEPIK will be replaced by EPIK i think.

My question is: does this mean that even if the school still wants to keep you in 2018 and beyond, they can't? Does this mean that no matter what, if you are a GEPIK teacher right now employed by your public school, when March 2018 comes, we all all be FORCED to leave our schools because EPIK is going to bring in their own hired teachers?

I don't get this. Why couldn't they just transfer the current GEPIK teachers over to EPIK without firing us first and then re-hiring us if we re-apply? It sounds like that's what it is.

Does anyone know or can confirm this is true or not? So basically, 2018 march is like a COMPLETE RESET? Everyone will be fired and EPIK hired teachers will replace all GEPIK teachers? I thought the only difference was that GEPIK (the education program) was being taken over by EPIK, but all the employees just dolly over to the EPIK conditions.

So as a GEPIK teacher, I'm getting fired in Feb. 2018 and EPIK hired teachers will replace me at my school in March 2018?


Never worked for either, but from what I have read, it seems like they are just recruiters. Have a a few friends that didn't go through either and go the job straight through the school. I can't imagine them getting rid of all those teachers and replacing them. It would cost way too much.
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oatmeal



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:39 pm    Post subject: Re: For current GEPIK teachers, what happens in 2018 Reply with quote

FastForward wrote:
oatmeal wrote:
I've been with my school over 5 years now and was thinking about not renewing next year. But today they told me they want to keep me and for the next 2 years (2016-2017, then 2017-2018). But not sure exactly, I think I heard them say something like we only have 2 years left anyways (meaning until Feb.2018). March 2018, all GEPIK will be replaced by EPIK i think.

My question is: does this mean that even if the school still wants to keep you in 2018 and beyond, they can't? Does this mean that no matter what, if you are a GEPIK teacher right now employed by your public school, when March 2018 comes, we all all be FORCED to leave our schools because EPIK is going to bring in their own hired teachers?

I don't get this. Why couldn't they just transfer the current GEPIK teachers over to EPIK without firing us first and then re-hiring us if we re-apply? It sounds like that's what it is.

Does anyone know or can confirm this is true or not? So basically, 2018 march is like a COMPLETE RESET? Everyone will be fired and EPIK hired teachers will replace all GEPIK teachers? I thought the only difference was that GEPIK (the education program) was being taken over by EPIK, but all the employees just dolly over to the EPIK conditions.

So as a GEPIK teacher, I'm getting fired in Feb. 2018 and EPIK hired teachers will replace me at my school in March 2018?


Never worked for either, but from what I have read, it seems like they are just recruiters. Have a a few friends that didn't go through either and go the job straight through the school. I can't imagine them getting rid of all those teachers and replacing them. It would cost way too much.



Well, that's how it worked for sure right now and that's what I'm hoping will be the case in 2018 and beyond, but my school made it sound like once GEPIK is gone, all gepik contracts can no longer be renewed since GEPIK is gone, so all new contracts made will be by EPIK and i think that means that all for all GEPIK teachers, we have to re-apply to EPIK just like first-timers again and get in the back of the line (which seems dumb to me since we are already teachers and currently in our respective schools...why not just allow us to make a new contract under EPIK now without removing everyone and then asking them to re-apply and then randomly get re-assigned to anywhere in Korea?).
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isitts



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:35 am    Post subject: Re: For current GEPIK teachers, what happens in 2018 Reply with quote

First of all, it’s two years from now. There’s no way your school can plan that far ahead on whether they can keep you or not anyway. Two years, dude! No need to drop bricks over this.

Second, I think you’re making mountains out of molehills here. What do you mean “EPIK’s hired teachers”? It’s not like they have some army of teachers ready to move in on Gyeonggi-do for when that time comes. If you’re an established teacher with any recruiter (like Korvia), then you know filling out these applications is more or less a formality. You don’t get sent to the back of the line. Even if you have to interview with EPIK, you’d be in a comfortable position to do so as you’d already be working for an EPIK school.

Third, if you’ve been here five years straight, maybe you can apply for an F-299 visa and not be bothered with all this.

Five years at one GEPIK school is pretty lucky. I’ve been here six years and am at my third school. Benefits are still the same, though. So it's not that big a deal. GEPIK has been hurting for a while now so this isn't much of a surprise. Changing over to EPIK sounds like a good thing to me.
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oatmeal



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:33 am    Post subject: Re: For current GEPIK teachers, what happens in 2018 Reply with quote

isitts wrote:
First of all, it’s two years from now. There’s no way your school can plan that far ahead on whether they can keep you or not anyway. Two years, dude! No need to drop bricks over this.

Second, I think you’re making mountains out of molehills here. What do you mean “EPIK’s hired teachers”? It’s not like they have some army of teachers ready to move in on Gyeonggi-do for when that time comes. If you’re an established teacher with any recruiter (like Korvia), then you know filling out these applications is more or less a formality. You don’t get sent to the back of the line. Even if you have to interview with EPIK, you’d be in a comfortable position to do so as you’d already be working for an EPIK school.

Third, if you’ve been here five years straight, maybe you can apply for an F-299 visa and not be bothered with all this.

Five years at one GEPIK school is pretty lucky. I’ve been here six years and am at my third school. Benefits are still the same, though. So it's not that big a deal. GEPIK has been hurting for a while now so this isn't much of a surprise. Changing over to EPIK sounds like a good thing to me.


Thanks for your viewpoints but I think you've completely ignored my question!

My question was "what happens to GEPIK teachers in March 2018?" Mainly, will GEPIK teachers all be released/fired from their schools even if the schools want to keep them?

There are two scenarios:

A) current Gepik teachers can stay in their current schools in Gyeonggi-do in 2018 and beyond when all GEPIK contracts are gone and new EPIK contracts have to be made. Teachers do not have to re-apply to EPIK and then get randomly re-assigned to another location. You can stay in the current gyeonggi do school you are at and just sign with them again only it'll be an EPIK contract.

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B) current Gepik teachers in march 2018 will have NO CHOICE but to leave their current schools EVEN IF the school wants to keep them, they can't. The reason is because since GEPIK is 100% obsolete by march 2018, that means we can only get a new contract by EPIK. EPIK won't allow you to remain in your same school and just sign a renewal contract by EPIK to continue your stay in the gyeonggi-do school. You have to re-apply through EPIK as if it was your first time again (provide degrees, criminal background checks, apostilled documents etc)., and then EPIK will randomly assign you to another school. You can't tell EPIK that I want to stay at my same school (for whatever reason...why not? it seems like it would be less work to just allow GEPIK teachers to carry on in the same school with new EPIK contracts. Why make everyone leave their schools, then apply for a new job with EPIK and have them send you to another school?).


So it's either A or B. My school has already told me they want to keep me for 2 more years (til 2018) but then they said something like 2018 is the last time they can keep me because EPIK takes over after that. So it sounded like they were saying that even though they'd like to me for 10 years, we only have 2 more years left (under GEPIK) and then in 2018 march, EPIK will send a new english teacher to the school. Of course, if I apply with EPIK, by random chance, it could be me they send to my school LOL, which is why I'm saying isn't easier to just let us continue our stay at the school but just sign a new contract by EPIK?
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oatmeal



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UPDATE:

So I called GPOE today and they told me that by spring 2018, EPIK will take over the hiring process 100%.

So I was right. This means that ALL GEPIK teachers will not be renewed or another way of putting it, they will all be laid off, forced to vacate their schools and RE-APPLY to EPIK if you want to keep working.

If, and that's a big "IF" they accept your application and hire you again, you will be randomly placed in a rural school. That school might just happen to be the same school you had to vacate or a school nearby (coincidence). That's why I think it's kind of weird that they ask you to go through this hiring process again just so that you could end up in the same situation as you were in before.

So yes, all GEPIK teachers will be removed and then replaced by new EPIK hirees. Of course, those new EPIK hirees might end up being those GEPIK teachers that were removed and just re-applied LOL.

Don't you see the ridiculousness in this cycle?

The only time this is good is for the bad apples they "weed out" via removing all GEPIK teachers and having them re-apply to the new and higher standards set by EPIK. But for those who end up getting re-hired, this whole process will just be a waste and pointless exercise to just end up in the same spot as you were. They couldn't just let us renew with our school only with a new EPIK contract? I don't get this.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oatmeal wrote:
UPDATE:

So I called GPOE today and they told me that by spring 2018, EPIK will take over the hiring process 100%.

So I was right.

Is that all they said? Because that doesn’t really verify all the assumptions you’ve made on this.

oatmeal wrote:
You have to re-apply through EPIK as if it was your first time again (provide degrees, criminal background checks, apostilled documents etc)., and then EPIK will randomly assign you to another school…

Even if you have to re-apply, why do you think you’d need new documents again? You’re already in-country and have those documents on file. It would be more like a transfer. Does EPIK only hire out of country applicants? I don’t think so.

oatmeal wrote:
Why make everyone leave their schools, then apply for a new job with EPIK and have them send you to another school?

Presuming they do that, it’d be for the same reason they always do this. To clean house. I don’t think this kind of disruption is that uncommon in managerial takeovers.

oatmeal wrote:
My school has already told me they want to keep me for 2 more years (til 2018) but then they said something like 2018 is the last time they can keep me because EPIK takes over after that…

They are in no position to say these kinds of things this far in advance because whether or not they can keep you or not is dependent on government funding…and they only know that one tear at a time. In that sense, it doesn’t even matter if you’re hired with GEPIK or EPIK.

Also, as Korvia recruits for both GEPIK and EPIK, if you’re established with them, then work with them. Even if you apply directly through EPIK, you can do so during your last contract with GEPIK.

That’s assuming the reshuffling scenario. Again, if they do that, it sucks, but…you’ve got two years to plan for it.
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