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GENO123
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GENO123
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| frankhenry wrote: |
| I thought my salary and housing was up there with the average Korean salary. |
3.9 or 4.1. I would agree you have benefits they don't have , they have benefits you don't have.
At any rate Yonsei's conditions are an outlier when compared with nearly any other school and they may not last either.
Hong Ik used to have comparable conditions to your school until they didn't .
At Sung Guen Gwan which has a nearly comparable academic reputation to your school teachers do far more work than your school .
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frankhenry
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:17 am Post subject: |
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I am not posting to argue are debate. Thought I would post my experience.
I do come in contact with other instructors/professors on a daily basis. I don't hear them complaining about their positions. Most of the complaints I hear are about doors being left open, some of the students' work and such things.
This is my experience. |
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frankhenry
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:18 am Post subject: |
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| GENO123 wrote: |
| frankhenry wrote: |
| I thought my salary and housing was up there with the average Korean salary. |
3.9 or 4.1. I would agree you have benefits they don't have , they have benefits you don't have.
At any rate Yonsei's conditions are an outlier when compared with nearly any other school and they may not last either.
Hong Ik used to have comparable conditions to your school until they didn't .
At Sung Guen Gwan which has a nearly comparable academic reputation to your school teachers do far more work than your school . |
I don't know about Yonsei. I don't work there. |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:19 am Post subject: |
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again many teachers have minimal expenses. either that or they get around the system.
I bet such a description would apply to most of your friends.
Then you probably work at HUFS
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frankhenry
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:20 am Post subject: |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| Thank you for your time. |
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Fallacy
Joined: 29 Jun 2015
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:59 am Post subject: RE: Ad infinitum |
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| frankhenry wrote: |
| Most of the complaints I hear are about doors being left open |
This. That is my top complaint. |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| Teachers at a women's university in Seoul were not happy about having to take the the TOFEL exam to prove themselves and keep their jobs which paid them stupid money |
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joeydonuts
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| GENO123 wrote: |
| Teachers at a women's university in Seoul were not happy about having to take the the TOFEL exam to prove themselves and keep their jobs which paid them stupid money |
which one? |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Geno getting a bit desperate in this thread.
Just because your university experience was bad / negative doesn't mean everyone has it the same way |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Geno getting a bit desperate in this thread.
Just because your university experience was bad / negative doesn't mean everyone has it the same way |
Actually I think that it good that someone is trying to shine alot about what really goes on at universities.
Most of them are -bad and the number is going up all the time. . And if they aren't then they will go the way of the others. Remember Hong Ik . How about Seoul National?
More to the point: One can't support a family or pay back a loan on 3.5 before any and all deductions ( 2. . That is why I say that universities are an evil trick. Lets stop pretending that it is good money. That it is a good salary in anyway is just propaganda. Actually a school can pay whatever they choose to but if they star freezing pay and increasing work then they ought not punish teachers for doing extra work. Especially when it is legal.
Do you think it is okay that Universities try to negate F Visas?
I don't believe in "know your place".
Universities are responsible for the conditions they offer. Unfortunately you have a group of people who are out to stop this.
In any case lets not describe and inflate the salary in US dollars and then say that you can't use US dollars to describe the pay.
As I said Universities are responsible for the conditions they offer. Why give them credit for paying more than they actually do.
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tophatcat
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I will make a conservative statement in saying that I've known at least 6 university teachers during my time in Korea. They all seemed happy when discussing their universities. Over the course of time here I've probably talked to another 5, 6, or so, university teachers here. I recall only 1 really complaining. 1 in 12 is a low ratio of complainers in any job field. When you have a ratio that low you can bet the problem is more likely to do with the complainer than the employer.
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tophatcat
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| GENO123 wrote: |
| SeoulNate wrote: |
Geno getting a bit desperate in this thread.
Just because your university experience was bad / negative doesn't mean everyone has it the same way |
I don't think I am desperate I think I want to shine a on light on what goes on at big famous Korean universities. . At any rate all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to be silent.
most of them are -bad and the number is going up all the time. . And if they aren't then they will go the way of the others. Remember Hong Ik . I would like to know your opinion of what they are doing.
One can't support a family or pay back a loan on 3.5 before any and all deductions ( 2. . That is why I say that universities are an evil trick. Lets stop pretending that it is good money. That it is a good salary in anyway is just propaganda.
Actually a school can pay whatever they choose to but if they star freezing pay and increasing work then they ought not punish teachers for doing extra work. Especially when it is legal. The government created F-Visas for a reason.
Universities are responsible for the conditions they offer. Unfortunately you have a group of people who are out to stop this.
I would like a response Thank you in advance. |
If the university salary doesn't cover your student loans, credit card debts, spouse and children, and spending habits, move along. Find a higher paying job. Go back home and get on the dole. It's not the universities responsibility to cover the bad decisions and lack of responsibility you made in life. |
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GENO123
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I will make a conservative statement in saying that I've known at least 6 university teachers during my time in Korea. They all seemed happy when discussing their universities. Over the course of time here I've probably talked to another 5, 6, or so, university teachers here. I recall only 1 really complaining. 1 in 12 is a low ratio of complainers in any job field. When you have a ratio that low you can bet the problem is more likely to do with the complainer than the employer.
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In 10 years? Leave out the fact that several years ago conditions were different that they are now. When did you talk to them? Your statement doesn't past muster. I think that throws doubt on the rest of your message.
Oh wow top hate cat is back. good I will give you the same questions I asked before.
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If the university salary doesn't cover your student loans, credit card debts, spouse and children, and spending habits, move along. Find a higher paying job. Go back home and get on the dole. It's not the universities responsibility to cover the bad decisions and lack of responsibility you made in life. |
more from the guy who says the university is always right and that they have a right to negate F visas,
Better to be a "whiner and complainer" than an excuse maker and an apologist. I will accept your characterization of me if you accept my characterization of you. Deal?
Universities want to negate f visas and you are an apologist for all of it.
Shame on you
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