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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Leon wrote: |
| Maybe it's a state thing or it has changed, but it was just a high school diploma last I checked, that was required. |
That's generally all that's required, but given that it's actually a pretty good job and competition is fairly high, it's difficult to find a position as a police officer without a degree (or military service). Very small towns might be a different story, but generally speaking, it's not a job that you walk into with a high school diploma and nothing else. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Funny how that works. I also wonder how difficult it is for the Cleveland PD to find upstanding individual officers who don’t mind working and raising families in another formerly prosperous, now crime-ridden Midwestern city that Whites have been fleeing for decades. I'm guessing it's pretty difficult. |
You are being simplistic. You could have said the SAME statement to Chicago when the Irish were shooting up whole city and then the Italians.
You avoid the systemic issues that have left the urban landscape how it is and try and insinuate, falsely I might add, that its some sort of inherent reason. If that's so then the Italians, Jews and Irish and other groups who had large scale criminal organizations are inherently violent as well.
The federal government built large housing projects in the '60s and '70s and expanded to the black and latino areas instead of trying to get them into the unions that were providing the jobs that lifted European immigrants out of generational poverty as well as other programs.
You have a rose tinted view of the 'once prosperous' Midwestern cities. The fact is with so many immigrants from so many countries disease ran rampant due to people not having natural defenses to cholera, rubella, etc. Your 'formerly prosperous' cities were once crime and disease ridden. It took decades to transform them.
But its okay for the country to have a plan to move them into the working and middle classes but not so for the ones there now.
An infrastructure bill could half urban unemployment but the GOP won't do it, wonder why? The irony is that BOTH parties say the country has terrible infrastructure. One billion would provide an estimated 42,000 jobs.
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/oct/26/steve-latourette/us-rep-steve-latourette-says-infrastructure-invest/
I've read reports where a trillion would provide as much as 31 million jobs, all kinds of jobs from highly skilled to no skills and the great thing about it is that it would all circulate back into the economy. Inner city as well as rural Appalachia would get lots of jobs.
Its just one of a few things that could end the crime you go on about. Why not convert these areas into working and middle class, viable "prosperous" Midwestern cities again? |
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Swartz
Joined: 19 Dec 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| You aren’t going to convince me that all races are the same, because anyone with half a brain knows they are not. The America that African Americans exist in is the most prosperous and rewarding system any black person in the history of mankind has ever been a part of. Trillions of dollars have been spent trying to bring them into the fabric of society. And the vast majority of them fail over and over and over again because they lack agency and intelligence. I don’t blame them, because this is not their culture and they don’t belong in it. I would never expect them to integrate into it. But those who can only make excuses for their dysfunction are the lowliest of charlatans and make the situation much worse for everyone. |
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Titus2
Joined: 06 Sep 2015
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Swartz wrote: |
| You aren’t going to convince me that all races are the same, because anyone with half a brain knows they are not. The America that African Americans exist in is the most prosperous and rewarding system any black person in the history of mankind has ever been a part of. Trillions of dollars have been spent trying to bring them into the fabric of society. And the vast majority of them fail over and over and over again because they lack agency and intelligence. I don’t blame them, because this is not their culture and they don’t belong in it. I would never expect them to integrate into it. But those who can only make excuses for their dysfunction are the lowliest of charlatans and make the situation much worse for everyone. |
No bro you just need to fix the schools. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| Swartz wrote: |
| You aren’t going to convince me that all races are the same, because anyone with half a brain knows they are not. The America that African Americans exist in is the most prosperous and rewarding system any black person in the history of mankind has ever been a part of. Trillions of dollars have been spent trying to bring them into the fabric of society. And the vast majority of them fail over and over and over again because they lack agency and intelligence. I don’t blame them, because this is not their culture and they don’t belong in it. I would never expect them to integrate into it. But those who can only make excuses for their dysfunction are the lowliest of charlatans and make the situation much worse for everyone. |
No bro you just need to fix the schools. |
Russians have higher rates alcoholism, intravenous drug use, early mortality, worse off economicall, etc. than their Western European peers. Russia has been considered backwards compared to other European powers for a long time. However, when I mentioned some of this before, you blamed the soviet era. Is this a case of cognitive dissonance? |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| Swartz wrote: |
| You aren’t going to convince me that all races are the same, because anyone with half a brain knows they are not. The America that African Americans exist in is the most prosperous and rewarding system any black person in the history of mankind has ever been a part of. Trillions of dollars have been spent trying to bring them into the fabric of society. And the vast majority of them fail over and over and over again because they lack agency and intelligence. I don’t blame them, because this is not their culture and they don’t belong in it. I would never expect them to integrate into it. But those who can only make excuses for their dysfunction are the lowliest of charlatans and make the situation much worse for everyone. |
Not trying to convince you. Reality shows your view is nonsense anyway and its a byproduct of other obvious belief systems you have.
Your view has led to lives lost. Innocent lives lost. Fortunately, its seen for what it is today.
http://www.bet.com/news/national/2012/03/20/survey-nigerians-most-educated-in-the-u-s.html
Survey: Nigerians Most Educated in the U.S. 
Just our personal experience in Korea shows there are probably a few thousand blacks (Americans, South Africans, Canucks, Brits) who integrate well within the teacher community and integrate the same way with us with the Koreans.
The sad irony is that it was people with your thinking that brought Africans to America a few hundred years ago, used them for free labor, socially and economically exclude them for a century afterwards by law and continue via programs and then say they can't integrate....I guess only unless they're providing free labor then? 
Oh the sweet irony. |
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Swartz
Joined: 19 Dec 2014
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Titus2 wrote: |
| Swartz wrote: |
| You aren’t going to convince me that all races are the same, because anyone with half a brain knows they are not. The America that African Americans exist in is the most prosperous and rewarding system any black person in the history of mankind has ever been a part of. Trillions of dollars have been spent trying to bring them into the fabric of society. And the vast majority of them fail over and over and over again because they lack agency and intelligence. I don’t blame them, because this is not their culture and they don’t belong in it. I would never expect them to integrate into it. But those who can only make excuses for their dysfunction are the lowliest of charlatans and make the situation much worse for everyone. |
No bro you just need to fix the schools. |
Russians have higher rates alcoholism, intravenous drug use, early mortality, worse off economicall, etc. than their Western European peers. Russia has been considered backwards compared to other European powers for a long time. However, when I mentioned some of this before, you blamed the soviet era. Is this a case of cognitive dissonance? |
Are you addressing me, Leon? I’m not really sure where your comment fits in, but yeah, the Soviet era had a lot to do with the social problems faced by Russians. Who considers Russia backwards, though? You? Despite having 20 million of their people wiped out by Jewish Bolsheviks in the early part of the last century, the Russians were and continue to be an intelligent and accomplished group of people.
Were you trying to compare the achievements of Russians with those of Africans to highlight some perceived notion of cognitive dissonance you feel I am guilty of?
| sirius black wrote: |
| Reality shows your view is nonsense |
No, it doesn’t. Look at Africa, then look at everyone else. Sorry, there’s a large disparity and it’s not everyone else’s fault. Take some responsibility.
And did you cite BET? Okay, I think I get it now. What’s next, the “we wuz kangz” before the Europeans stole all our science narrative? Please. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Swartz wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Titus2 wrote: |
| Swartz wrote: |
| You aren’t going to convince me that all races are the same, because anyone with half a brain knows they are not. The America that African Americans exist in is the most prosperous and rewarding system any black person in the history of mankind has ever been a part of. Trillions of dollars have been spent trying to bring them into the fabric of society. And the vast majority of them fail over and over and over again because they lack agency and intelligence. I don’t blame them, because this is not their culture and they don’t belong in it. I would never expect them to integrate into it. But those who can only make excuses for their dysfunction are the lowliest of charlatans and make the situation much worse for everyone. |
No bro you just need to fix the schools. |
Russians have higher rates alcoholism, intravenous drug use, early mortality, worse off economicall, etc. than their Western European peers. Russia has been considered backwards compared to other European powers for a long time. However, when I mentioned some of this before, you blamed the soviet era. Is this a case of cognitive dissonance? |
Are you addressing me, Leon? I’m not really sure where your comment fits in, but yeah, the Soviet era had a lot to do with the social problems faced by Russians. Who considers Russia backwards, though? You? Despite having 20 million of their people wiped out by Jewish Bolsheviks in the early part of the last century, the Russians were and continue to be an intelligent and accomplished group of people.
Were you trying to compare the achievements of Russians with those of Africans to highlight some perceived notion of cognitive dissonance you feel I am guilty of?
| sirius black wrote: |
| Reality shows your view is nonsense |
No, it doesn’t. Look at Africa, then look at everyone else. Sorry, there’s a large disparity and it’s not everyone else’s fault. Take some responsibility.
And did you cite BET? Okay, I think I get it now. What’s next, the “we wuz kangz” before the Europeans stole all our science narrative? Please. |
No, it was a comment directly to Titus, based on previous conversations, which is why I replied to his post and not yours. |
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Swartz
Joined: 19 Dec 2014
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| Silly me. Since his post was not meant to be substantive, and since you brought up the exact same scenario a month ago to me, where I talked about the Soviet era effects on those very issues, perhaps you can understand how the confusion was brought about. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| Swartz wrote: |
| Silly me. Since his post was not meant to be substantive, and since you brought up the exact same scenario a month ago to me, where I talked about the Soviet era effects on those very issues, perhaps you can understand how the confusion was brought about. |
That's fine. I understand the confusion, and do not blame you for it. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Maybe it's a state thing or it has changed, but it was just a high school diploma last I checked, that was required. |
That's generally all that's required, but given that it's actually a pretty good job and competition is fairly high, it's difficult to find a position as a police officer without a degree (or military service). Very small towns might be a different story, but generally speaking, it's not a job that you walk into with a high school diploma and nothing else. |
Yep. The handful of cops I know have college degrees and/or are vets.
One of my co-workers has a brother going through the police academy right now. He's going to be making 6 figures within 3 years (through OT and working holidays), and can retire after 20 years with a 90% pension (tied to inflation of course). Pretty sweet gig. |
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northway
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Maybe it's a state thing or it has changed, but it was just a high school diploma last I checked, that was required. |
That's generally all that's required, but given that it's actually a pretty good job and competition is fairly high, it's difficult to find a position as a police officer without a degree (or military service). Very small towns might be a different story, but generally speaking, it's not a job that you walk into with a high school diploma and nothing else. |
Yep. The handful of cops I know have college degrees and/or are vets.
One of my co-workers has a brother going through the police academy right now. He's going to be making 6 figures within 3 years (through OT and working holidays), and can retire after 20 years with a 90% pension (tied to inflation of course). Pretty sweet gig. |
Honestly, I think this is kind of a problem on the left where they see police officers as idiots with guns. Some police are certainly idiots with guns, but viewing the majority of them as such probably hurts police reforms in the respect that nobody is going to do what you want them to do when you make it obvious that you're talking down to them. The same probably goes for the military, teenage idiots in Itaewon notwithstanding. |
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Brooks
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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That Philadelphia cop looked pretty good after getting shot three times
and shooting the idiot who supports ISIS. |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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That Philadelphia cop looked pretty good after getting shot three times
and shooting the idiot who supports ISIS. |
...and its relevant how again? |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Swartz wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Titus2 wrote: |
| Swartz wrote: |
| You aren’t going to convince me that all races are the same, because anyone with half a brain knows they are not. The America that African Americans exist in is the most prosperous and rewarding system any black person in the history of mankind has ever been a part of. Trillions of dollars have been spent trying to bring them into the fabric of society. And the vast majority of them fail over and over and over again because they lack agency and intelligence. I don’t blame them, because this is not their culture and they don’t belong in it. I would never expect them to integrate into it. But those who can only make excuses for their dysfunction are the lowliest of charlatans and make the situation much worse for everyone. |
No bro you just need to fix the schools. |
Russians have higher rates alcoholism, intravenous drug use, early mortality, worse off economicall, etc. than their Western European peers. Russia has been considered backwards compared to other European powers for a long time. However, when I mentioned some of this before, you blamed the soviet era. Is this a case of cognitive dissonance? |
Are you addressing me, Leon? I’m not really sure where your comment fits in, but yeah, the Soviet era had a lot to do with the social problems faced by Russians. Who considers Russia backwards, though? You? Despite having 20 million of their people wiped out by Jewish Bolsheviks in the early part of the last century, the Russians were and continue to be an intelligent and accomplished group of people.
Were you trying to compare the achievements of Russians with those of Africans to highlight some perceived notion of cognitive dissonance you feel I am guilty of?
| sirius black wrote: |
| Reality shows your view is nonsense |
No, it doesn’t. Look at Africa, then look at everyone else. Sorry, there’s a large disparity and it’s not everyone else’s fault. Take some responsibility.
And did you cite BET? Okay, I think I get it now. What’s next, the “we wuz kangz” before the Europeans stole all our science narrative? Please. |
Late 1800s, Americans also successfully said the SAME Russians were intellectually inferior (amongst other Europeans, all southern and eastern European in origin) and supposedly scientifically proved it with skull size measurements and tests.
Now you are saying its not true then right? Were they wrong? To answer your African question, I'll answer with another. Lets look at India and everyone else. Tens of millions of people living like many do in Africa. Are they intellectually inferior as well?
Have you seen how millions of Asians live? In abject poverty? Compared to everyone else?
Have you seen how the people of Appalachia are compared to everyone else? They have been poor since arriving in this country. 400 years and are still behind than everyone else in all categories. They are intellectually superior too right?
You either have never taught or seen an urban school compared to the ones you and I went to or you know the conditions and choose to ignore them. The black middle class kids seemed to have done fine in suburban schools or at least achieved far higher scholastically than the inner city kids.
My guess is you know the difference between having the resources to fulfill academic/intellectual capabilities and intellectual inferiority but choose to obfuscate the two and muddy the waters based on your ideological doctrine. |
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