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GENO123
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There's a lot possible here. I know people who are doing really well on F visas. 50 million year isn't that difficult for some.
Any F visa who finds it impossible to make 50 million/year, or more, on 40/hr weeks isn't doing something right. 40 million/year can easily be done on a 30/hr week.
Some people just don't have it. They lack the ability. These are the whiners. The LOSERS! They think the entire market is bad because they have a crappy job and crappy pay.
A winner can make 75 million/year. But not a whiner.
Me. Stress free. I'm well rewarded for my efforts. |
You can't be that stress free since you seem to be threatened by what I say. You know the saying That makes it all worth it. All that is necessary for evil to win is for good men to stay silent. Well I won't be silent . Nothing you can ever do about it.
Best post ever written on the subject: Without the embellishments.
Best post on the subject:
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Instead of withholding I'll explain how it has worked for others. You get your resume into the plethora of small business class organizers so that you get a few offers for 50k-60k/hour company classes to fill an hour or two each day in the morning 6:30am to 9:00am or so. If you are good with kids and have your license you could also look at Kindergarten & Preschool privates before they go to Kindergarten though the average rate there is only 40-50k. If you can find a Kindergarten nearby that can give you a block of 2-3 hours at 40k that can be 10am to Noon. Fill up 1-5pm about 3 hours each day at 35k/hour with afterschools. After that options vary wildly. Company classes again near end of work, business person private classes, small private group classes of 4-5 elementary/middle at 12k/hour each (so 48-60k), cut a deal with a Hagwon for them to offer classes (IBT usually) designed and taught by you, or worse case night shift with an Adult Hagwon like Pagoda or YBM adults.
If you do that you are looking at probably 4mil +/-300k per month. |
another great post
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However in reality this isn't the case. I don't care how much vacation you get. The pay downright sucks.
Oh you can do camps and corporates because your hours are low and you have vacation? Well then yes you'll make a decent salary. But then you're working 40 hours like the rest of us and having the stress of commuting between different jobs, dealing with all the issues one job would give x2 x3.
Show me a uni job that has 12 contact hours a week, 20 weeks vacation and pays 5-6 million Won a month. No publication pressure or BS committee work either. You know one of those dream "I work an 18 hour week MAX and take off to Thailand for 3 months" type jobs that esl uni teachers like to brag about.
You either get paid decently but have to work for it and have the pieces of paper or BS "qualifications" some on here like to bang on about, OR you have a uni job that requires very little BUT PAYS VERY LITTLE. |
So the numbers match up
50 M is 4.16 a month
40 m a year is 3.3. a month
Nothing so special about those numbers.
How much are those numbers in US dollars ?
Oh I know forbidden topic she gets paid in won and she buys stuff in won . Anyone who makes that kind of excuse is an apologist and an excuse maker.
Also do Universites try to stuff F visas.
Anyone who sides with universities on this issue is an apologist and an excuse maker. know anyone like that.
At any rate 3.5 M isn't much money anyway. you can support a family or pay back a student loan on that.
75M is 6.2 (it would have to be 6.7 using a hogwon scale) That would be just under 30 hours a week at 60K an hour. It is possible to get 60 an hour but in block hours? Someone is embellishing again.
If a hogwon which paid 2.3 claimed they pay 3.0 because they pay airfare (200k) , housing (300K) and severance (200k) no one would accept their explanation . Yet some do the same fourth rate accounting when they describe salaries.
The rest is important :
Anyone who doesn't use hogwon salary measurements is puffing and inflating what they earn.
Top hate cat can you please finally stop ducking questions?
ore of "accept your place" . what an apologist.
Anyway since you are such a know it all you might want to answer the following . I asked before but for some reason you ducked it
You said most university jobs are good ?
What is good ?
And where is your proof?
Some people will side w/ the university no matter what..
More importantly Universities try to negate f- 5 visas . and some people support them in doing that.
How much is 2.7 ~ 2.8 take home in US dollars?
Can someone support a family / pay back a loan on a university salary?
You could do extra work but it is not allowed.
Universities don't pay severance. Do they ?
"contact hours" means nothing whatsoever. Only total total work and trouble compared to total pay.
Sad to say there are some who would wish to stop such a discussion.
Top Hate Cate. Lame as ever.
Guide to conditions at big famous schools below:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=233809&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
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GENO123
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
There's a lot possible here. I know people who are doing really well on F visas. 50 million year isn't that difficult for some.
Any F visa who finds it impossible to make 50 million/year, or more, on 40/hr weeks isn't doing something right. 40 million/year can easily be done on a 30/hr week.
Some people just don't have it. They lack the ability. These are the whiners. The LOSERS! They think the entire market is bad because they have a crappy job and crappy pay.
A winner can make 75 million/year. But not a whiner.
Me. Stress free. I'm well rewarded for my efforts. |
Yep. |
edwardcatflap Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:00 pm
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| ...network of cool friends may be exaggerating a little, as people are prone to do with regards to salary. I don 't go round asking people what they take home but from overhearing conversations i' d guesstimate those making 5 mil or more a month at korean unis teaching tefl have other jobs on the side. Eg someone told me the other day that a guy they know at honik u is on 3.4 with no housing after years and years. That is a good deal if you have extra jobs but not a route to early retirement if you don' t |
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=233809&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30 |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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edwardcatflap Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:00 pm
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...network of cool friends may be exaggerating a little, as people are prone to do with regards to salary. I don 't go round asking people what they take home but from overhearing conversations i' d guesstimate those making 5 mil or more a month at korean unis teaching tefl have other jobs on the side. Eg someone told me the other day that a guy they know at honik u is on 3.4 with no housing after years and years. That is a good deal if you have extra jobs but not a route to early retirement if you don' t
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=233809&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30 |
Eh? What relevance does that quote of mine (which you already re-posted a couple of months ago) have on this discussion? We were specifically talking about F visa people with privates/side jobs, weren't we? Not university jobs that pay 5 mil a month. I took someone to task recently for claiming university jobs pay that much. I actually say in that quote that a university job that pays 3.4 mil is a good deal if you have extra jobs. |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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With all due respect it puts peoples claims into perspective. Also reminds people around here doctor numbers to make them seem better than they actually are.
Fyi that university has cut pay. Does not pay severence. And universities dont allow side jobs. Even if you have an f visa which makes ALL the difference. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| People are not losers because they earn low salaries. They are losers if they consistently moan about earning low salaries to other people in order to get them to feel bad about their situations, without doing anything about changing their own situation. |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| People are not losers because they earn low salaries. They are losers if they consistently moan about earning low salaries to other people in order to get them to feel bad about their situations, without doing anything about changing their own situation. |
I dont think it is wrong to ask for accurate accounting or to tell what really goes on at big famous schools.
Universities try to make their jobs mote atttactive then they are. I am not okay with that. They are responsible for the actual conditions they offer.
Honest accounting leads to a more efficent and just market. As does thr free flow of information.
People are afraid to speak freely at their schools. Surely there needs to be a venue for the free flow of information without fear of retribution. Dad to say some would like to put an end to this sort of discussion |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| GENO123 wrote: |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| People are not losers because they earn low salaries. They are losers if they consistently moan about earning low salaries to other people in order to get them to feel bad about their situations, without doing anything about changing their own situation. |
I dont think it is wrong to ask for accurate accounting or to tell what really goes on at big famous schools.
Universities try to make their jobs mote atttactive then they are. I am not okay with that. They are responsible for the actual conditions they offer.
Honest accounting leads to a more efficent and just market. As does thr free flow of information |
So do something else. There are other ways to make a living than working at a Korean university |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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It is still in the public interest to show what really goes on at the big famous schools.. Disagree?
Honest accounting is also a good thing.Disagree? |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| No, sure carry on. You, WT and this topic are about the only things that have been keeping this forum going for the last year or so. |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| No, sure carry on. You, WT and this topic are about the only things that have been keeping this forum going for the last year or so. |
All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stay silent |
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candy bar
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| GENO123 wrote: |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| No, sure carry on. You, WT and this topic are about the only things that have been keeping this forum going for the last year or so. |
All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stay silent |
The truth. Why are you so angry about this particular university situation? Did she ' ' leave you for greener pastures? Not making enough for a PRADA handbag? Not bringing home the bacon? The other dude, right? Get over it and move on. Get up off the sofa, take a shower, put on some clean underwear, stop the sniffling, and walk out the door with your head up, for a change. |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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Universities are responsible for the conditions they offer.
Would you prefer that the recruiters and universities have complete control over all discourse?
At anyrate all my numbers have been been right
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goat
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| My colleagues and I are provided good working conditions. |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| My colleagues and I are provided good working conditions. |
Minimal expenses |
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goat
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| goat wrote: |
| My colleagues and I are provided good working conditions. |
Minimal expenses |
Expenses are your responsibility, not the universities' responsibility. If you have accumulated too much debt and too much financial responsibility, you are poor at money management. You can't blame the universities for your poor decisions and expect them to fix your mistakes.
Yeah. My colleagues and I are probably good at money management. Thus, we have minimal expenses. We probably approach our careers and teaching the same way. We plan, prepare, and fulfill.
Read the employment contracts. If you like the conditions, take it. If you don't like the conditions, don't take it. |
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