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kranjskaklobasa
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Location: somewhere beyond the sea
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| You are lucky. You owe that nurse big. |
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rkc76sf
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Also, you can't just demand medication. Doctors have to diagnose you. |
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rkc76sf
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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You can check out ROK Drop's blog, there are more than a few cases of bias against foreigners, specifically Americans, specifically GI's. That said, maybe the Korean Justice System has it out for GI's, I don't know. The funny thing is, I'm a GI and have spent 8 years in Korea and the first thing they tell soldiers is that the U.S. doesn't protect you off-duty.
I've had incidents with local nationals (tangled up in a bike accident) and called the MP's to assist, the response I got was "We'll call the Korean police". Legally there was nothing the MP's could do. At that point, I realized I have no legal protection in Korea, worse being that I was a foreigner and can't win. One month later, I left Korea and haven't been back since (that was almost 2 years ago). I like Korea and as long as you keep your mouth shut and know your place, you'll be ok, but in the end, you won't win.
Some cases from ROK Drop's archives:
The 2005 Osan Shakedown Scandal
•The 2004 Taxi Cab Rape Case
•The 2004 Shinchon Stabbing Incident
•The 2002 Seoul Subway Kidnapping
•The 2000 Yongsan Water Dumping Scandal
•The 1995 Seoul Subway Brawl |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| rkc76sf wrote: |
You can check out ROK Drop's blog, there are more than a few cases of bias against foreigners, specifically Americans, specifically GI's. That said, maybe the Korean Justice System has it out for GI's, I don't know. The funny thing is, I'm a GI and have spent 8 years in Korea and the first thing they tell soldiers is that the U.S. doesn't protect you off-duty.
I've had incidents with local nationals (tangled up in a bike accident) and called the MP's to assist, the response I got was "We'll call the Korean police". |
Whoever told you that was derelict in their duty. If SOFA personnel are involved in a situation in which the KNP are to be called, the US MP must also be called and MPs will be dispatched to assist the KNP.
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| Legally there was nothing the MP's could do. At that point, I realized I have no legal protection in Korea, worse being that I was a foreigner and can't win. |
This is incorrect. The US military's Staff Judge Advocate office will be involved in all legal proceedings relating to the incident. The SJA's main responsibility is to observe the investigation and court proceedings to ensure they are conducted according to law.
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| One month later, I left Korea and haven't been back since (that was almost 2 years ago). I like Korea and as long as you keep your mouth shut and know your place, you'll be ok, but in the end, you won't win. |
Foreigners, military and non-military, have been known to win in Korean courts.
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Some cases from ROK Drop's archives:
The 2005 Osan Shakedown Scandal
•The 2004 Taxi Cab Rape Case
•The 2004 Shinchon Stabbing Incident
•The 2002 Seoul Subway Kidnapping
•The 2000 Yongsan Water Dumping Scandal
•The 1995 Seoul Subway Brawl |
Given the number of foreigners in South Korea, I'm going to have to say that six cases over eleven years isn't the damning statistic you seem to think it is. Of course it's not great, but it's not "Foreigners can't win". |
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oldsurly
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Stupidest thing I have ever read. Do I have a case...phbbbbbb. What exactly are you looking to get from the situation, money? |
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Joe Boxer
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| Plain Meaning wrote: |
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You will move on if you are smart. You can't win. The game is rigged.
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Really, this is the best advice you can possibly get.
Next, they will start lying and saying you hit them etc.
Whitey big nose face and darkey never win - we are the devil. |
You didn't happen to notice that the OP said he was born Korean? |
Nope (edit) - I would still stand by what Ive posted (minus the devils part) - koreans do have a massive tendency to lie, especially when they either lose face or benefit from it in some way. |
You have done more than impugn the general credibility of an entire people, you have also slurred the entire Korean court system as extremely biased, such that foreigners should not expect to receive a fair hearing in any circumstance.
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Here's an oldie, but a goodie:
"A Country of Liars"
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2005/07/03/2005070361027.html |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Wonder how the OP is doing... |
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rkc76sf
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Whoever told you that was derelict in their duty. If SOFA personnel are involved in a situation in which the KNP are to be called, the US MP must also be called and MPs will be dispatched to assist the KNP. |
I wish I could say that, but it wasn't true (or didn't happen like you say). I thought it was crazy, too. I called the MP's after a Korean rider that I ran into and his two buddies became irritated and belligerent (the accident was totally my fault). I spoke to a SGT and he told me there was nothing he could do. Here I was, alone, beside a bike trail south of Dongducheon, with three pissed off Koreans who could have done anything to me and rode away free.
After I got home, I sent an ICE comment complaining about the MP's lack of action. ICE comments are pretty good about getting attention, they usually go several levels up. Anyway, the email thread went from a LTC(?) from 8th Army to a MAJ working at the provost marshal's office for 2ID. His words were basically to that effect (I still have the email if you want it). I couldn't believe it, they only have jurisdiction in areas directly outside Army posts where Soldiers frequent. I called him and asked if a Soldier is on the other side of the street from the ville, will the MP's do nothing? His response was 'yes' unless the Soldiers are threatening bodily harm to the local national! Not the other way around!
This was a Major, mind you. I know you're pretty knowledgable and tend to set the record straight regarding military rumors. I thought I had some protection, but after 8 years there in the military, it was time to move on. I wonder to myself if I'm driving down the road and a mob of Koreans stops me and my young son is in the car with me, if I fear for my life and hit someone as I'm trying to get away, it won't be the Korean at fault, it will be me. But in fairness, that's not just foreigners in that last situation, it's also Koreans who try to defend themselves. Look at the story of the Korean whose home was invaded by a robber, the robber murdered one member of the family and was killed by the homeowner. The homeowner was facing prison time even though he defended himself. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| ^I don't doubt your account. I'm saying that the military authorities involved (actually, "who should have been involved") were derelict. Their responses to you were absolutely incorrect. |
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