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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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I hope you dont compare several years ago with today. Any did you ever work for one of the big famous schools? Ever been caught? Read the storiesof the schools above. In your contract there is something about no working for anyone else. From your posts what ever success you have enjoyed has been from working around ( and not with / along side ) the system and not getting caught. What do you think of the stories of seoul national or of Hong Ik above. They are not exceptional cases .
Goes on at most of the big famous top 50 ~ 60 schools. They are the worst.
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Frank Henry says that anyone who speaks ill of a university is is an unqualified and a bad teacher.
That tells us everything we need to know about him
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=3000228&highlight=#3000228
Anyway outside of vacations everything else is a negative.
Notice FrankHenry says nothing about Hong Ik or Seoul National ;
What a suck up . He probably would not be above spying on other teachers to get ahead.
He also has no problem that universities try to stuff F visas.
So FrankHenry are the teachers above who spoke about Hong Ik and Seoul National under qualified and bad teachers?
As always a failure to answer = unwillingness to answer. |
Calling me a spy and a suck up shows your immaturity.
There haven't been any attempts to stuff my F visa. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| frankhenry wrote: |
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Frank Henry says that anyone who speaks ill of a university is is an unqualified and a bad teacher.
That tells us everything we need to know about him
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=3000228&highlight=#3000228
Anyway outside of vacations everything else is a negative.
Notice FrankHenry says nothing about Hong Ik or Seoul National ;
What a suck up . He probably would not be above spying on other teachers to get ahead.
He also has no problem that universities try to stuff F visas.
So FrankHenry are the teachers above who spoke about Hong Ik and Seoul National under qualified and bad teachers?
As always a failure to answer = unwillingness to answer. |
Calling me a spy and a suck up shows your immaturity.
There haven't been any attempts to stuff my F visa. |
interesting by your own admission you never asked about privates.
You are a suck up and your own words prove
You said something to the effect that teachers who speak ill of their schools are under qualified and in competent . those words prove it |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| GENO123 wrote: |
| frankhenry wrote: |
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Frank Henry says that anyone who speaks ill of a university is is an unqualified and a bad teacher.
That tells us everything we need to know about him
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=3000228&highlight=#3000228
Anyway outside of vacations everything else is a negative.
Notice FrankHenry says nothing about Hong Ik or Seoul National ;
What a suck up . He probably would not be above spying on other teachers to get ahead.
He also has no problem that universities try to stuff F visas.
So FrankHenry are the teachers above who spoke about Hong Ik and Seoul National under qualified and bad teachers?
As always a failure to answer = unwillingness to answer. |
Calling me a spy and a suck up shows your immaturity.
There haven't been any attempts to stuff my F visa. |
interesting by your own admission you never asked about privates.
You are a suck up and your own words prove
You said something to the effect that teachers who speak ill of their schools are under qualified and in competent . those words prove it |
I'm happy with my job. I know many university teachers who are happy with their jobs.
I'm sure there are some bitter people. Well, at least one bitter person.
Keep smacking on that lemon, buddy. LOL  |
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JohnML
Joined: 05 Jul 2015
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| frankhenry wrote: |
| GENO123 wrote: |
| frankhenry wrote: |
| GENO123 wrote: |
Frank Henry says that anyone who speaks ill of a university is is an unqualified and a bad teacher.
That tells us everything we need to know about him
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=3000228&highlight=#3000228
Anyway outside of vacations everything else is a negative.
Notice FrankHenry says nothing about Hong Ik or Seoul National ;
What a suck up . He probably would not be above spying on other teachers to get ahead.
He also has no problem that universities try to stuff F visas.
So FrankHenry are the teachers above who spoke about Hong Ik and Seoul National under qualified and bad teachers?
As always a failure to answer = unwillingness to answer. |
Calling me a spy and a suck up shows your immaturity.
There haven't been any attempts to stuff my F visa. |
interesting by your own admission you never asked about privates.
You are a suck up and your own words prove
You said something to the effect that teachers who speak ill of their schools are under qualified and in competent . those words prove it |
I'm happy with my job. I know many university teachers who are happy with their jobs.
I'm sure there are some bitter people. Well, at least one bitter person.
Keep smacking on that lemon, buddy. LOL |
Doesn't matter whether GENOS is bitter or what, he's telling the truth. The general ESL university teacher in Korea is paid a horrible salary with ever worsening working conditions and there are still plenty of people who are happy with that - that's fine. It's still the truth of the matter though.
Also requirements are increasing at a ridiculous rate, no other industry do I know has had such a drastic increase in requirements for jobs in the last decade, all for a worse salary! I enjoyed teaching, I have also done non ESL subjects at a university level which pays better/gives better holiday. It still doesn't offer great prospects for a career.
If you are tenured senior, you are good (and this is getting harder to find too!). Everyone else is on the poor bandwagon. The holidays are still generally better than other sectors for the moment but I know of schools that only pay accommodation + 10% salary during the holiday period.
The ones who are entering retirement are going to be fine the ones who are just getting into the industry are going to find things getting tougher unless the market trend buckles but I am sure it won't otherwise Japan would be doing a lot better now.
I don't pretend to know GENOS' motivation but he's spot on in the majority of his points. The average university salary is around 2.3-2.5 million won a month, which is half of a new graduate in the US in a lot of sectors. Great. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| GENO123 wrote: |
I hope you dont compare several years ago with today. Any did you ever work for one of the big famous schools? Ever been caught? Read the storiesof the schools above. In your contract there is something about no working for anyone else. From your posts what ever success you have enjoyed has been from working around ( and not with / along side ) the system and not getting caught. What do you think of the stories of seoul national or of Hong Ik above. They are not exceptional cases .
Goes on at most of the big famous top 50 ~ 60 schools. They are the worst.
SKY expanded definition |
I can compare 1998 to today because I sign a contract yearly(one place had two year contracts, but that doesn't really count especially for E2 visas as they still have to get an immi renewal after year one) same as I did back then. If you don't like what you read, ask for a change or don't sign(and, yeah, likely not get hired). However, you only were supposed to be a native speaker with at least a four-year degree back then...that at least HAS changed for unis/colleges...I think the experience thing is a definite improvement...I wasn't hired for a uni without having my first year behind me.
I think you already know that I've never worked for any of the big "famous" schools. PNU?(are they even big and famous?)...wouldn't want to work there anyway, sorry...same for PKNU. They both equal more hours, a much crappier schedule and vacation, and big brother watching much closer than where I've been for quite some time, so, no thanks. I work for one of the top-60 ones, and, yes, they're quite good(at least for now, and have been for nearly a decade for me).
The stories of SNU or HI don't surprise me in the least. Again, the same could happen at ANY place here, or anywhere. Change in administration? Boom! Everyone goes. Change in a head teacher or co-ordinator of some sort? SAME boom! Change in MOE/Immi guidelines? Boom boom boom!
IF, the no-outside work clause is actually LEGAL, then, the teacher shouldn't be doing privates. Do you know if they're legal, GENO123???
And, so, if people working at the top-60 schools are allowing themselves to be manipulated by their admin into not doing something which may or may not be legal/illegal, who's to blame? If you have the experience, creds, and balls, work for yourself if you have an F-visa. If you fit the mold, and want one of those uni/college jobs, you should get it. Don't like the job? Get something better next year. Simple as that.
Oh, and one last point. Whom do you consider to be under-qualified or incompetent? Is it someone you disagree with? Someone above you on the seniority list? Someone who is white, black, yellow, red, or whatever? Someone who's got a PhD? Someone who's taller, kinder, more interesting, and handsomer? Your boss??? Well, those realities here are ones that are swept under the carpet back home. Right? Deal with it. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:36 am Post subject: |
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And, so, if people working at the top-60 schools are allowing themselves to be manipulated by their admin into not doing something which may or may not be legal/illegal, who's to blame? If you have the experience, creds, and balls, work for yourself if you have an F-visa. If you fit the mold, and want one of those uni/college jobs, you should get it. Don't like the job? Get something better next year. Simple as that. |
That is people being successful in spite of the the system not because of it. Either that or they have minimal expenses. Iif Universities do bad stuff then they are responsible for the conditions they offer.If they do sinister stuff then who else is to blame ? It is not wrong to shine a light on what they do.
In additions Universities also come close to misleading in their job advertisements to make the jobs seem more attractive. it is just the right thing to talk about what really goes on at such places.
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| Oh, and one last point. Whom do you consider to be under-qualified or incompetent? Is it someone you disagree with? Someone above you on the seniority list? Someone who is white, black, yellow, red, or whatever? Someone who's got a PhD? Someone who's taller, kinder, more interesting, and handsomer? Your boss??? Well, those realities here are ones that are swept under the carpet back home. Right? Deal with it. |
According to Frankhenry someone who speaks ill of their university is unqualified and a bad teacher. |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Denver Wrote:
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And, so, if people working at the top-60 schools are allowing themselves to be manipulated by their admin into not doing something which may or may not be legal/illegal, who's to blame? If you have the experience, creds, and balls, work for yourself if you have an F-visa. If you fit the mold, and want one of those uni/college jobs, you should get it. Don't like the job? Get something better next year. Simple as that. |
That is people being successful in spite of the the system not because of it. Either that or they have minimal expenses. Iif Universities do bad stuff then they are responsible for the conditions they offer.If they do sinister stuff then who else is to blame ? It is not wrong to shine a light on what they do.
In additions Universities also come close to misleading in their job advertisements to make the jobs seem more attractive. it is just the right thing to talk about what really goes on at such places.
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| Oh, and one last point. Whom do you consider to be under-qualified or incompetent? Is it someone you disagree with? Someone above you on the seniority list? Someone who is white, black, yellow, red, or whatever? Someone who's got a PhD? Someone who's taller, kinder, more interesting, and handsomer? Your boss??? Well, those realities here are ones that are swept under the carpet back home. Right? Deal with it. |
According to Frankhenry someone who speaks ill of their university is unqualified and a bad teacher. |
GENO claims I'm a spy. Who? 008? The Man with the Golden white board marker? LMAO
What next, GENO? I'm a UFO? Bigfoot?
Take of the tinfoil hat, GENO!!! Everyone isn't out to get you! LMAO |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| GENO. Go get your PhD or a suitable Masters if you want to get in the qualified ballpark. Then, prove yourself. Once you get all of your ducks in a row, then you will get the better job with the better pay. There is a reason you aren't making the big bucks and getting a lot of vacation time, and it isn't the system. It's YOU ..GENO.. You just don't have it! |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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GENO claims I'm a spy. Who? 008? The Man with the Golden white board marker? LMAO
What next, GENO? I'm a UFO? Bigfoot?
Take of the tinfoil hat, GENO!!! Everyone isn't out to get you! LMAO |
Since you are such a suck up it is not unreasonable to expect that you are the type who would do unethical stuff to get ahead. You think that teachers who spill ill of their schools are unqualified and incompetent teachers .
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| ENO. Go get your PhD or a suitable Masters if you want to get in the qualified ballpark. Then, prove yourself. Once you get all of your ducks in a row, then you will get the better job with the better pay. There is a reason you aren't making the big bucks and getting a lot of vacation time, and it isn't the system. It's YOU ..GENO.. You just don't have it! |
You haven't seen anyone's resume or know what anyone earns. 3.9 (<3.6)isn't big bucks by any means. and won is kangaroo cash .
More importantly what is known as "contact hours" means nothing. What counts is work and trouble compared to compensation.
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| Everyone isn't out to get you! |
but you are out to stop any criticism of Korean Universities. That much is so.
FrankHenry said :
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| There haven't been any attempts to stuff my F visa. |
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Severance, no.
I have never asked about working extra outside of the university |
Not exactly an honest answer. Why would FrankHenry answer this way if he wasn't out to apologize for Korean universities?
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=235260&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=195
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under qualified, lousy teacher = bitter |
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=3000228&highlight=#3000228
That sums him up right there .
Now there is everything there is to know about FrankHenry. Everything. he is an apologist and a vile suck up of the worst sort. His posts prove it..
Remember according tho Frankhenry teachers who speak ill of their schools are under qualified and incompetent. Nuff said. |
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goat
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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@geno
Face it, you don't have what it takes to play in the Big Game. You didn't make par. You have been cut. Everyone can't be a winner. We know it's a big hit to your ego after the bragging and boasting you must have done in the past about your uni job. However, your friends and family need to accept you for what is within your limits. Now go find something you can do. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:49 am Post subject: |
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@geno
Face it, you don't have what it takes to play in the Big Game. You didn't make par. You have been cut. Everyone can't be a winner. We know it's a big hit to your ego after the bragging and boasting you must have done in the past about your uni job. However, your friends and family need to accept you for what is within your limits. Now go find something you can do. |
Before we start For the record this Goat's idea of good money;
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=2999510&highlight=#2999510
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2,600,000 plus 400,000 for housing. I already had my own housing. I was offered 2,700,000 for a second contract. This was at a smaller university. The best thing was having some time to travel abroad.
No severance. |
Wow. 2600 US dollars a month . Regular Warren Buffett here.
Shall we start?
Sorry when did I brag and boast about a university job. I never thought highly of those sorts of jobs - ever. Are you making sutff up? Wouldn't be the first time for you ,would it? What I do know is that you seek to stop discussion which is critical of Korean universities.
Goat is the guy who saidv who said while excusing that Universities try to stuff F visas you can make enough during vacations so you can save the salary you make the rest of the year. I am stil waiting to see how that works.You can't make this stuff up. See below:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=2999577&highlight=#2999577
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Congratulations!
I agree. Most of the good university teachers can live on the money they make during the winter and summer breaks while saving their regular salary; that is, if they so choose. 5~10 million extra yearly isn't a problem for the GOOD teachers. This more than covers what doing outside privates would earn. Plus, they don't have to do the run around. |
Also Goat thinks that Universites have a right to stuff F visas. (stop them from doing extra work ) That in itself makes him an apologist.
Moreover, Goat makes 3.1 m a month and says anyone who needs more is guilty of not saving their money. You cant make this stuff up.Goat said the following in response to "one can not support a family or pay back loans on a university salary and thus the need to do extra work"
See below:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=3000235&highlight=#3000235
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Expenses are your responsibility, not the universities' responsibility. If you have accumulated too much debt and too much financial responsibility, you are poor at money management. You can't blame the universities for your poor decisions and expect them to fix your mistakes.
Yeah. My colleagues and I are probably good at money management. Thus, we have minimal expenses. We probably approach our careers and teaching the same way. We plan, prepare, and fulfill.
Read the employment contracts. If you like the conditions, take it. If you don't like the conditions, don't take it. |
Is there any doubt that Goat is an apologist? Again he has no problem with the fact that Universites try to stuff Visas.
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| You don't have what it takes to play in the Big Game |
There is no game because at korean universities you are not paid well and by and large you are not treated well either. Korean University jobs? Most of the time they are just an evil trick.
You make 3M won = 2600 US dollars a month wow what a winner.. HA
One thing you did right was choose your name cause you have all the sense that god gave a goat. You posts say all there is no know about you . You are not capable or powerful. You never have been and you never will be.
Your posts show that you are not clever and that you are proably not much of a teacher. But again I bet you are the type to spy on their coworkers for a few extra benefits from the boss.
Your posts explain who you are and what you are about . I could never make up what you yourself said. Goat is an apologist through and though.
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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
Location: under the hat
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| Dude is still crying over his spilt milk. What a loser. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:47 am Post subject: |
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| Dude is still crying over his spilt milk. What a loser. |
It is the return of of Top Hate Cat.
just shining a light on what really goes on at big famous Korean universities . You won't stop 8it.
I am going to ask you the questions I always do. if you don't mind.
How much is 2.7- 2.8M in US dollars ?
And do Universities allow F visas to do extra work ?
What is the matter Cat got your tongue? As always falure to answer = unwillingness to answer.
For the record
Top Hate Cat is another one who has no problem with universites trying to stuff F Visas . What a shamful individual.
When it was brought to his attention that won is losing value against the dollar he said " she buys stuff in won and gets paid in won. What an apologist.
I will accept your description of me if you accept my description of you
Better to be a loser than a apologist who enjoys blood money .
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