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GrowlingMadScientist
Joined: 16 Jun 2007
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 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: What are me chances? |
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You are worth about 2.1 million and 10 days for holidays. |
How do you figure? PS jobs seem to offer 18-21 days of vacation for about the salary you mentioned. Hagwan ads I've seen offer considerably higher salaries with 10 days of vacation. You seem to be suggesting a worst of both worlds scenario.
Also, 'worth' is a rather subjective and relative term. If there is a British Council job available at the time I'm looking, based on my past work history with them I'll probably get it-- around 3 mil, 900k apartment allowance plus 15 mil key money, 35 days vacation, 1000gbp bonus in addition to normal severance, BUPA health insurance, plus the usual stuff.
I'm just trying to get an idea of what's available if the BC isn't. Your figures aren't convincing, based on the info I've seen over the past few weeks.
Am I missing something? |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Am I missing something? |
No, he's being a dick. There is, however a large gulf between working for the BC and the next step down. In terms of pay, holidays, bonuses and general working conditions. The only advantage of a PS job over the BC would be fewer contact hours a week. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Without a Delta or MA, your chances at the BC are slim to nil. You'll have trouble getting anything above a basic hagwon gig. Best of luck, though. |
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GrowlingMadScientist
Joined: 16 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
No, he's being a dick. |
Yeah, it seems to be a common theme here. Thanks very much for taking the time to respond.
Cheers |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| Without a Delta or MA, your chances at the BC are slim to nil. You'll have trouble getting anything above a basic hagwon gig. Best of luck, though. |
Not strictly true. GrowlingMadScientist has already worked there without either of those. When I worked there it was about 50/50 (teachers with further quals and people with just a CELTA) If you haven't applied yet GMS you may have just missed the boat as they were advertising a couple of weeks ago. Still jobs there come up fairly regularly. Some people can't take the workload and corporate vibe.
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| around 3 mil, 900k apartment allowance plus 15 mil key money, 35 days vacation, 1000gbp bonus in addition to normal severance, BUPA health insurance, plus the usual stuff. |
Just to nitpick a little. You don't get 'normal severance' at the BC, they say it's part of your regular salary. You do get a handy 180 quid a month private pension contribution. |
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GrowlingMadScientist
Joined: 16 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| Without a Delta or MA, your chances at the BC are slim to nil. You'll have trouble getting anything above a basic hagwon gig. Best of luck, though. |
This is just plain nonsense. Where are you getting this info from?
1. The BC doesn't give much preference to people with MA's, in general. It may help a little, but the way their business model currently is, they would choose someone with the YL extension over an MA, all else being equal.
2. The majority of teachers at the BC do NOT have the DELTA, although it's highly prized.
3. I have 5 years teaching experience at the BC, know people who work in recruitment and have the highest rating on performance reviews for the last few years, which, combined with the type of work I did there before means I'm pretty much a shoe in. Not 100%, but probably 90%, which is hardly slim to nil. |
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GrowlingMadScientist
Joined: 16 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| Some people can't take the workload and corporate vibe. |
Haha, good to know the BC is the same everywhere, at least you can know what to expect:) I've heard that Korea can be a particular grind though- was that your experience?
Re: the severance, this is the info from the last vacancy doc.. I'd forgotten about the pension.
Basic Salary
The monthly Korean Won salary is within the range of ₩1,654,330 to ₩2,084,428 and the UK Sterling salary is from within the range of £555.51 to £687.95.
Statutory Severance Pay
In line with the Korean law, staff members will be entitled to receive the Statutory Severance Pay equivalent to one month’s average wage for each year of service. This is paid in full when the staff member leaves the British Council Korea.
Is it possible something has changed since you were there?
Thanks again |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| GrowlingMadScientist wrote: |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| Some people can't take the workload and corporate vibe. |
Haha, good to know the BC is the same everywhere, at least you can know what to expect:) I've heard that Korea can be a particular grind though- was that your experience?
Re: the severance, this is the info from the last vacancy doc.. I'd forgotten about the pension.
Basic Salary
The monthly Korean Won salary is within the range of ₩1,654,330 to ₩2,084,428 and the UK Sterling salary is from within the range of £555.51 to £687.95.
Statutory Severance Pay
In line with the Korean law, staff members will be entitled to receive the Statutory Severance Pay equivalent to one month’s average wage for each year of service. This is paid in full when the staff member leaves the British Council Korea.
Is it possible something has changed since you were there?
Thanks again |
Yeah maybe. It was definitely incorporated into the salary when I worked there. I was never bothered by the workload too much as I had various posts that got me out of a 24 hour teaching load. Nowadays it's all divided up anyway into adult and kid centres, as you probably know. 24 hours of adults might be OK but 24 hours of kids would leave me shattered. |
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GrowlingMadScientist
Joined: 16 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| 24 hours of kids would leave me shattered. |
You said it, brother! |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| GrowlingMadScientist wrote: |
| I'm pretty much a shoe in. Not 100%, but probably 90%, which is hardly slim to nil. |
They are hiring now...but...
* Korean working visas are NOT sponsored (F visa holders preferred)
Looks like you're SOL...
Please make sure information below is clearly stated in the cover email when application is sent to us.
• Visa type...
...unless you married a K-gal. Did you? |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| GrowlingMadScientist wrote: |
| I'm pretty much a shoe in. Not 100%, but probably 90%, which is hardly slim to nil. |
They are hiring now...but...
* Korean working visas are NOT sponsored (F visa holders preferred)
Looks like you're SOL...
Please make sure information below is clearly stated in the cover email when application is sent to us.
• Visa type...
...unless you married a K-gal. Did you? |
Is that for an hourly paid job? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| Yes. I've only seen the BC hire hourly (without visa sponsorship) in the past several years (in Korea). If you find a different ad, share it here. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| Teacher of English - Young Learner |
It's exclusively kiddie classes and doesn't say whether or not the visa will be sponsored (but it probably will). I stand corrected ^^;;
Every single one I've seen on Dave's has required the F-visa though. Not sure why that is. Seems like a somewhat recent change. (Flooded market and all that so employers can choose to be pickier that before would be my best guess.)
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| 24 hours of kids would leave me shattered. |
You said it, brother! |
Aside from that there are no British Council jobs openings in Korea advertised. (I did a search.) |
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GrowlingMadScientist
Joined: 16 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
Looks like you're SOL |
Lol. wrong. Ditto for the info about only hiring HP teachers.
Where did you get that from?
In February there were two posted on the BC jobs site for ToE positions-- one for kids, one for adults. As the average SoKo dufus is not exactly what the BC is looking for, these postings can be found there fairly regularly... |
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