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School under reporting salary, best solution?

 
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Overture1928



Joined: 12 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:56 am    Post subject: School under reporting salary, best solution? Reply with quote

I am still investigating everything and haven't told my school or tax/pension/medical office my suspicion yet. 3rd job in Korea, been working at my current school for 3 pay periods. My pay stub seems fairly accurate with the calculations I have made for pension/medical/taxes. There is one fishy thing, they actual put my salary at 2,300,000 and gave me an extra 100,000 식대 pay which they don't calculate pension/medical/tax on. Anyway, I called the pension office to double check things, they said the salary they have listed is 1,900,000. My salary is actually 2,400,000 (excluding housing). It seems like they are making mostly correct deductions from my pay, but paying a smaller amount to tax, medical, pension offices and I assume keeping the difference. In addition, when it comes to pension, they are not only pocketing the difference but not contributing as much as they should so my lump sum will be less. I did some quick math and estimate in total it's about 60,000원 they are stealing per month, 720,000 a year. What is the best way to deal with this?
    1) Just go to the pension/medical/office or labor board and tell them what's up.
    2) Get the facts/math, tell my school I know what's up, let them continue with their scheme so they avoid being fined, make sure they make appropriate deductions from now on based on 1,900,000 and payback the money they stole/I will lose on pension?
The thing is, I am already almost 4 months into this contract, I am really looking forward to finishing this contract and moving on to another country or just going back home. I don't want the next 8 months to be hell because they got fucked/fined because of me. I also don't want to leave the job and sign another full year with another school. Should I just try to cut a deal with my boss?
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pmwhittier



Joined: 03 Nov 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my second job, I found out that my employer had signed me up for medical as an independent contractor and reported my income as 1 mil to the healthcare office. When I found out, I told the school about it. I was then immediately fired. That is almost assuredly what they will do to you as well.

I was in my 10th month, so they were required by law to give me 30 days notice. You being in your 4th month means that they can fire you with no notice and the law is on the school's side.

It sucks, A LOT, but as Elsa says, "Let it go."
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Fallacy



Joined: 29 Jun 2015
Location: ex-ROK

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:17 pm    Post subject: Re: School under reporting salary, best solution? Reply with quote

Contact the pension, tax and health authorities directly. Tell them the situation, let them file a report, and do the investigating for you. They will contact your school and get to the bottom of it. If there is fraud, or just mistake, such as clerical error, they will find and correct it. All of this has the benefit of giving you cover, too. Call the phone numbers, or even visit the regional offices, speak with them, and let them take care of it. To be honest, when you call just 1 of those 3 institutions, they will begin to coordinate with each other on this anyway, as it is a general rule that when one is cheated, they all are, and recently databases are linked these days just for this transparency purpose.
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Overture1928



Joined: 12 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pmwhittier wrote:
On my second job, I found out that my employer had signed me up for medical as an independent contractor and reported my income as 1 mil to the healthcare office. When I found out, I told the school about it. I was then immediately fired. That is almost assuredly what they will do to you as well.

I was in my 10th month, so they were required by law to give me 30 days notice. You being in your 4th month means that they can fire you with no notice and the law is on the school's side.

It sucks, A LOT, but as Elsa says, "Let it go."


How were they able to fire you? Based on what? If my employer gave me a letter saying I was fired, I would simply not sign it, take it to the labor board and explain they are trying to fire me because I found out they are fucking with my pay.
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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly you have to realise what does and doesn't concern you. What I mean is the tax and medical really doesn't matter to you as long as they are paying the correct amounts based on reported income.

Secondly you haven't stated what kind of school you work at. This is relevant. Universities have a capacity to itemise your pay in different ways so more of it is untaxable.

Without knowing your workplace it's hard to know specifics. The pension is the only one you want to focus on. They may be doing nothing wrong... Or not.
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Overture1928



Joined: 12 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

liveinkorea316 wrote:
Firstly you have to realise what does and doesn't concern you. What I mean is the tax and medical really doesn't matter to you as long as they are paying the correct amounts based on reported income.

Secondly you haven't stated what kind of school you work at. This is relevant. Universities have a capacity to itemise your pay in different ways so more of it is untaxable.

Without knowing your workplace it's hard to know specifics. The pension is the only one you want to focus on. They may be doing nothing wrong... Or not.


I work at a kindergarten. I understand well what you are getting at with the tax/medical doesn't matter too much. It's annoying that not only do they save money by paying pension/medical based on a lower salary, but in addition, they charge me the proper deductions and pocket the difference. There is double saving for them.
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pmwhittier



Joined: 03 Nov 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overture1928 wrote:
pmwhittier wrote:
On my second job, I found out that my employer had signed me up for medical as an independent contractor and reported my income as 1 mil to the healthcare office. When I found out, I told the school about it. I was then immediately fired. That is almost assuredly what they will do to you as well.

I was in my 10th month, so they were required by law to give me 30 days notice. You being in your 4th month means that they can fire you with no notice and the law is on the school's side.

It sucks, A LOT, but as Elsa says, "Let it go."


How were they able to fire you? Based on what? If my employer gave me a letter saying I was fired, I would simply not sign it, take it to the labor board and explain they are trying to fire me because I found out they are fucking with my pay.


Ha ha.... Here in lies the beauty of Korean government bureaucracy. I didn't sign my termination notice either! (I even recorded the conversation where they fired me) I went to the labor board, and the people there told me that since I didn't sign the notice, I hadn't been fired yet and they couldn't help me. However, if I had signed the notice then it would have been a legal termination of employment and nothing could be done (after 6 months on a job, employer can fire you for ANY reason, they just have to give 30 days notice). The labor board worked their asses off to help the Korean employer, but did absolutely nothing for me. I don't trust the K government to do the right thing, ever.
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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing you could do is simply go down to your pension office and bring evidence of your pay. I live in ask for a payslip from your employer next time and also bring your bank account print out.

Don't tell your employer. He should get a nice letter from the pension office after a week or so.
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