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Negotiating Contract With Hagwon

 
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awave34



Joined: 25 Jan 2016

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:38 pm    Post subject: Negotiating Contract With Hagwon Reply with quote

Hey I was just offered a contract and have some concerns about it but I don't want to alienate the school. Is there a good way to go about this? Are most hagwons willing to negotiate?

Some of the problems with the contract are it doesn't include anything about paying into the pension, doesn't specify about whether the accommodation is single/furnished, and says if the teacher is dismissed or quits before contract is up I'd have to pay 200,000 won per month of the contract unfulfilled.

Are these reasonable concerns?

Thanks a lot for your help
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pmwhittier



Joined: 03 Nov 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any reason why you don't want to alienate this school?

Sounds like they've had problems with teacher retention, that's probably why they add that totally BS stipulation about paying them for unfinished contract dates.

If there is no mention of pension, it's because they probably don't pay it. I'm betting the tax rate listed in the contract is 3.3%. That means they are treating you as an independent contractor, which is not legal.

If a school is doing illegal / immoral stuff from day one, it's no wonder that they have teacher retention issues. If you really must must must work at this school and don't want to make them angry, just play dumb during negotiations. For example, "I saw that many schools obey the law and don't include illegal clauses in their contracts, so why does this school?" or "I had heard a rumor that pension is a good idea. Why does this school hate it's teachers?"

You get the idea.
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awave34



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the response. Yeah I'm not married to working there, I just think it might actually be a decent contract in a good area if I was able to bargain with them a bit to change a few things.

But from what I gather about the job market in Korea teachers pretty much have little to no bargaining power, so I was wondering if anyone had any particular success with that.

I'll try out your suggestion though and if that doesn't work keep looking
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:07 am    Post subject: Re: Negotiating Contract With Hagwon Reply with quote

awave34 wrote:
Hey I was just offered a contract and have some concerns about it but I don't want to alienate the school. Is there a good way to go about this? Are most hagwons willing to negotiate?


Like pmwhittier, I wonder why you would not want to alienate such an outfit as the one you describe. What I've noticed--and others may have noticed otherwise--is that outfits that violate the law are not interested in negotiating into making the contract comply with the law.

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Some of the problems with the contract are it doesn't include anything about paying into the pension,


If it doesn't say it, they don't pay it. Heck, even if it says it and they take take your contribution out of your pay, sometimes they still don't pay it.

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doesn't specify about whether the accommodation is single/furnished,


That's because they don't know how many foreign teachers have signed their bogus contract yet. Once they get enough people on board, they'll start looking for housing. Take a guess what will decide if it's single or shared housing. If you guess anything other than "The cheapest rate they can find", then you guessed wrong.

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and says if the teacher is dismissed or quits before contract is up I'd have to pay 200,000 won per month of the contract unfulfilled.


That's completely illegal.

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Are these reasonable concerns?


Very reasonable. The outfit is obviously no good.

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Thanks a lot for your help


No problem. And pmwhittier nailed the advice.

awave34 wrote:
I'll try out your suggestion though and if that doesn't work keep looking


Have you considered other areas in Korea, or even other countries?
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