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denverdeath
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3 million does not match up all that well with korean salaries actually.
U work much much more than 12 hours. What is known as contact hours means nothing More importantly They supress f class visas. Korean universities are responsible for the conditions they offer. I guess you would prefer that no one challage the university version of conditions.
In fact your description of the job matches the korean university version of the job and it is like that at all in practice. 3 m is hogwon money pretty much |
Challenge the uni conditions all you want. I'm just pointing out the obvious here.
Universities and most Koreans think that a Hogwon teacher and a English language uni teacher are the same thing. A uni esl teachers that puts a professor title in front of their name, then gets bent out of shape for not getting a 'professor' salary is delusional.
They think you are worth 3 mil, so that's the salary. Universities don't really want people with qualifications. 5 years ago, a pulse and a BA would have done.
With papers published in top international journals, I'm sure you'd have more options. The fact you aren't happy with the going rate when you are easily replaceable means nothing to university admin. |
There is a lot of truth to what you said.
But the problem is not what they think you are worth in so much as that they think they own you |
Sorry, GENO, but I had to say 1 more thing. With an F-class visa, esp an F-5, no uni owns you, not even a korean "upper-echelon" place. H3ll no. At least not if you have a pair. If they wanna "stuff" sth, stuff them and make at least twice as much on your own. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| denverdeath wrote: |
| GENO123 wrote: |
| Malislamusrex wrote: |
| GENO123 wrote: |
3 million does not match up all that well with korean salaries actually.
U work much much more than 12 hours. What is known as contact hours means nothing More importantly They supress f class visas. Korean universities are responsible for the conditions they offer. I guess you would prefer that no one challage the university version of conditions.
In fact your description of the job matches the korean university version of the job and it is like that at all in practice. 3 m is hogwon money pretty much |
Challenge the uni conditions all you want. I'm just pointing out the obvious here.
Universities and most Koreans think that a Hogwon teacher and a English language uni teacher are the same thing. A uni esl teachers that puts a professor title in front of their name, then gets bent out of shape for not getting a 'professor' salary is delusional.
They think you are worth 3 mil, so that's the salary. Universities don't really want people with qualifications. 5 years ago, a pulse and a BA would have done.
With papers published in top international journals, I'm sure you'd have more options. The fact you aren't happy with the going rate when you are easily replaceable means nothing to university admin. |
There is a lot of truth to what you said.
But the problem is not what they think you are worth in so much as that they think they own you |
Sorry, GENO, but I had to say 1 more thing. With an F-class visa, esp an F-5, no uni owns you, not even a korean "upper-echelon" place. H3ll no. At least not if you have a pair. If they wanna "stuff" sth, stuff them and make at least twice as much on your own. |
Unless they catch you. At anyrate if one does that then they did it despite the university not because of the university.
Many schools ice teachers who they catch doing extra g extra stuff. Big famous schools arethe worst in that regard |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 4:23 am Post subject: |
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i agree with the following. Even this requires your school to be non psycho
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However in reality this isn't the case. I don't care how much vacation you get. The pay downright sucks.
Oh you can do camps and corporates because your hours are low and you have vacation? Well then yes you'll make a decent salary. But then you're working 40 hours like the rest of us and having the stress of commuting between different jobs, dealing with all the issues one job would give x2 x3. … |
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Show me a uni job that has 12 contact hours a week, 20 weeks vacation and pays 5-6 million Won a month. No publication pressure or BS committee work either. You know one of those dream "I work an 18 hour week MAX and take off to Thailand for 3 months" type jobs that esl uni teachers like to brag about.
You either get paid decently but have to work for it and have the pieces of paper or BS "qualifications" some on here like to bang on about, OR you have a uni job that requires very little BUT PAYS VERY LITTLE. |
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tophatcat
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 8:27 am Post subject: |
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I have an F Visa. I have never been stuffed. I have never worried about being stuffed. If there is any worry, the employer better be worried about me stuffing him.
I have been here a long time and I know a lot of F Visa holders. I can't think of one of them that is concerned about being stuffed.
I call horse poo on the stuff. |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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I have an F Visa. I have never been stuffed. I have never worried about being stuffed. If there is any worry, the employer better be worried about me stuffing him.
I have been here a long time and I know a lot of F Visa holders. I can't think of one of them that is concerned about being stuffed.
I call horse poo on the stuff. |
Big famous Korean universities ice teachers who get caught working outside
Every university contract says you may not work for someone else. .
SEE BELOW:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=2627056&highlight=#2627056 |
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PRagic
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I've NEVER known of an F-class visa holder who has gotten canned for working outside of their primary u job. EVER. |
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PRagic
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| But let's be frank here. If you're a complete jackass at work, and if your managment is really looking for an excuse to sack you, and if you're stupid enough to go around campus bragging about how much coin you make outside your u job, then, sure, you might get canned. And most would say you deserved it! |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I've NEVER known of an F-class visa holder who has gotten canned for working outside of their primary u job. EVER. |
It happens and more now than in the past. You are not in ESL anymore and I don't think you are aware of how things have changed for the worse.
The do and will ice teachers who get caught working. The in charge Korean professors are so full of themselves and sanctimonious as hell. . |
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PRagic
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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1. No, I'm not personally in ESL, but a large number of my long time expat friends here have been doing it for 10-15 years or more, both here and in other locations. Having worked in other places, they've gravitated back to Korea and like their jobs just fine. Who has left or is thinking of it?
One guy who fell in love and took a job in a HK univerisity to be closer to his Chinese fiance and her family.
Four guys who moved out of ESL into corporate editing. Nice salary bump!
One guy who is angling for a public school job in HK's NET program. Again, good salary bump.
2. And NONE of these people have heard of someone with an F-series visa getting popped and fired. The bulk of the f-visa holders, and the ones without, do indeed pad their income with outside work. Who wouldn't? |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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1. No, I'm not personally in ESL, but a large number of my long time expat friends here have been doing it for 10-15 years or more, both here and in other locations. Having worked in other places, they've gravitated back to Korea and like their jobs just fine. Who has left or is thinking of it?
One guy who fell in love and took a job in a HK univerisity to be closer to his Chinese fiance and her family.
Four guys who moved out of ESL into corporate editing. Nice salary bump!
One guy who is angling for a public school job in HK's NET program. Again, good salary bump.
2. And NONE of these people have heard of someone with an F-series visa getting popped and fired. The bulk of the f-visa holders, and the ones without, do indeed pad their income with outside work. Who wouldn't? |
Maybe your friends just didnt get caught. It is usually warned or fired the first time. Fired the second time |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| GENO123 wrote: |
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1. No, I'm not personally in ESL, but a large number of my long time expat friends here have been doing it for 10-15 years or more, both here and in other locations. Having worked in other places, they've gravitated back to Korea and like their jobs just fine. Who has left or is thinking of it?
One guy who fell in love and took a job in a HK univerisity to be closer to his Chinese fiance and her family.
Four guys who moved out of ESL into corporate editing. Nice salary bump!
One guy who is angling for a public school job in HK's NET program. Again, good salary bump.
2. And NONE of these people have heard of someone with an F-series visa getting popped and fired. The bulk of the f-visa holders, and the ones without, do indeed pad their income with outside work. Who wouldn't? |
Maybe your friends just didnt get caught. It is usually warned or fired the first time. Fired the second time |
I don't know of any F visa holders being canned. None of my friends or people I know that have F visas have ever been canned. |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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1. No, I'm not personally in ESL, but a large number of my long time expat friends here have been doing it for 10-15 years or more, both here and in other locations. Having worked in other places, they've gravitated back to Korea and like their jobs just fine. Who has left or is thinking of it?
One guy who fell in love and took a job in a HK univerisity to be closer to his Chinese fiance and her family.
Four guys who moved out of ESL into corporate editing. Nice salary bump!
One guy who is angling for a public school job in HK's NET program. Again, good salary bump.
2. And NONE of these people have heard of someone with an F-series visa getting popped and fired. The bulk of the f-visa holders, and the ones without, do indeed pad their income with outside work. Who wouldn't? |
Maybe your friends just didnt get caught. It is usually warned or fired the first time. Fired the second time |
Maybe it just isn't happening. If it is it's probably the 1% who need to be canned. Are you of that 1%?  |
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PRagic
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Frankhenry AND his friends, plus myself AND my friends know of NOBODY who has gotten canned. Are there some who have? Probably, but see my post in the other thread; they may very well have deserved it for being schmucks at work to begin with. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| frankhenry wrote: |
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1. No, I'm not personally in ESL, but a large number of my long time expat friends here have been doing it for 10-15 years or more, both here and in other locations. Having worked in other places, they've gravitated back to Korea and like their jobs just fine. Who has left or is thinking of it?
One guy who fell in love and took a job in a HK univerisity to be closer to his Chinese fiance and her family.
Four guys who moved out of ESL into corporate editing. Nice salary bump!
One guy who is angling for a public school job in HK's NET program. Again, good salary bump.
2. And NONE of these people have heard of someone with an F-series visa getting popped and fired. The bulk of the f-visa holders, and the ones without, do indeed pad their income with outside work. Who wouldn't? |
Maybe your friends just didnt get caught. It is usually warned or fired the first time. Fired the second time |
Maybe it just isn't happening. If it is it's probably the 1% who need to be canned. Are you of that 1%? |
You do like to apologize for universities.
Since according to you anyone who speaks ill of theirschools is a bad tracher.
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GENO123
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