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greyhound



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:10 pm    Post subject: is 2.3mwon the most? Reply with quote

I have accepted a job in korea for 2.3m won per month (£1400). Is this the most private academies pay then? I'm also a qualified teacher and can work at International schools. I think I am only going to earn half what I could get at an IS. £1400 is just £16800 a year, an admin assistant's salary in the UK. Is this the most TEFL pays in Korea? The school have said they may offer me the head teacher's position with an increase in salary. What sort of salary should I ask for if they offer me this position?
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: is 2.3mwon the most? Reply with quote

greyhound wrote:
I have accepted a job in korea for 2.3m won per month (£1400). Is this the most private academies pay then? No. Cram academies for SAT, TOEIC etc...pay more but often want Kyopos or IVY league grads. Hagwans that require you to teach more hours pay more e.g. POLY. British Council pay more but they ask for TEFL qualifications and experience.
I'm also a qualified teacher and can work at International schools. So why don't you apply for international schools?
I think I am only going to earn half what I could get at an IS. £1400 is just £16800 a year, an admin assistant's salary in the UK. Is this the most TEFL pays in Korea? No. See above, plus there are universities that ask for MAs and university experience..
The school have said they may offer me the head teacher's position with an increase in salary. What sort of salary should I ask for if they offer me this position? Why 'may'? tell them to offer you the job and specify the salary


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greyhound



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:35 pm    Post subject: - Reply with quote

Well I am still in the UK waiting for my apostille to come back from the FCO so I could ask them I suppose. I think they want me to get to Korea and see how I teach or get on first before offering me the head's position. I am late 40s with experience of teaching in the middle east and previously in Japan. I've also taught at high schools in the UK. This is an adult school though which is what I want now.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: - Reply with quote

greyhound wrote:
Well I am still in the UK waiting for my apostille to come back from the FCO so I could ask them I suppose. I think they want me to get to Korea and see how I teach or get on first before offering me the head's position. I am late 40s with experience of teaching in the middle east and previously in Japan. I've also taught at high schools in the UK. This is an adult school though which is what I want now.


If you have a CELTA, try the BC. If the school you're in touch with isn't asking you to do a split shift it might be an OK job.
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greyhound



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a CELTA. The BC are too fussy to get in. I've applied for some BC jobs from the UK and not even got an interview. This job is not split shift, it's 2 till 10pm with weekends off. The guy seemed quite nice when he interviewed me. One problem though. I asked them what books they use for teaching and he said they have resources but they don't really use a set book as it's boring to do that. So, I am not sure what they want me to teach exactly. It's up to the teacher what he teaches he told me. it's a bit vague. I don't mind preparing lessons but I don't want to spend hours doing it.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

greyhound wrote:
I have a CELTA. The BC are too fussy to get in. I've applied for some BC jobs from the UK and not even got an interview. This job is not split shift, it's 2 till 10pm with weekends off. The guy seemed quite nice when he interviewed me. One problem though. I asked them what books they use for teaching and he said they have resources but they don't really use a set book as it's boring to do that. So, I am not sure what they want me to teach exactly. It's up to the teacher what he teaches he told me. it's a bit vague. I don't mind preparing lessons but I don't want to spend hours doing it.


It sounds massively vague. If the guy who's interviewing you for the job doesn't know what the syllabus is, it's a bit of a red flag, I'd have thought. Korean adults are generally pretty quick to complain about stuff, so you really need to know what their expectations are before you start teaching. Still, the hours sound good for an adult hagwan.
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greyhound



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeh it doesn't sound too bad. I'm sure they must have a syllabus they want you to teach. Anyway, they're the ones paying the one-way flight plus free housing so it's in their interests to keep me once I get there. What's the situation with changing jobs on an E2 visa if you get fired or want to move on somewhere else after say 6 months or so. Can you do that or are you confined to the one employer? I prefer to stick with this job and get the head's position but just wondering in case anything happens.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

greyhound wrote:
I'm sure they must have a syllabus they want you to teach.


That's not something about which you should necessarily be certain, as some schools may expect their teachers to develop their own course of study and lead the students down it. Knowing exactly how much lesson planning and curriculum development for which you are going to be responsible would probably be wise.

greyhound wrote:
Anyway, they're the ones paying the one-way flight plus free housing so it's in their interests to keep me once I get there.


The contract will quite likely have a clause mandating that you repay the flight if you either quit or are released from service before the contract ends.
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JohnML



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No it's not the most but it's a very average/fair offer even for someone with your qualifications. Also international schools suck ass in Korea, IMO it's one of the worst countries for anyone with a teaching cert to actually try to land work in and you are almost always going to be underpaid on what you're worth. You'd be surprised at the number of people as qualified for yourself working for the 1.2k-1.4k GBP figure in Korea.

Whereas a stone throw away in SE asia 2kGB-2.5k is pretty normal and it's cheaper.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some international schools in Korea offer good salary packages e.g.

http://recruitment.branksome.asia/salary-package

I've heard Dulwich college in Banpo is on a par with this one too.
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greyhound



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those salaries by branksome are quite good. I might look into them once I get to Korea. I am registered with a teacher agency in the UK who get international school jobs and they sent me a primary music post yesterday in Shanghai paying between £35k and £50k before tax, salary depending on experience and I guess current salary. They won't send my CV off to them though until I reformat my CV properly. I'm secondary trained anyway so don't think I'd clinch it somehow. That's with free accommodation provided by the school too. But anyhow, I shall be content with this position at the moment as it's teaching adults. I was thinking of maybe doing some private tuition, piano or English, but I read it's illegal to do it in Korea so I don't think it's worth the risk. In China, lots of teachers do private tuition on the side with no problems I think.
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greyhound



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what sort of salary should I ask for if they offer me the head teacher's position? About 3m won or more?
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greyhound



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Fox"]
greyhound wrote:

The contract will quite likely have a clause mandating that you repay the flight if you either quit or are released from service before the contract ends.


Yes it does. Up to 6 months I have to pay the flight back plus 1m won and after 6 months they just won't pay the return flight. So long as I last more than 1 month, I break even then.
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trueblue



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="greyhound"]
Fox wrote:
greyhound wrote:

The contract will quite likely have a clause mandating that you repay the flight if you either quit or are released from service before the contract ends.


Yes it does. Up to 6 months I have to pay the flight back plus 1m won and after 6 months they just won't pay the return flight. So long as I last more than 1 month, I break even then.


You wish to know about the perks for a head teacher with the BC, in Korea/


You should consider accepting NOTHING LESS than, 3.0 million won per month, including R/T airfare.

Seriouly, O.P....
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denverdeath



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked at an adult place for three years before, two of which I was the head teacher. I was getting 300,000 extra monthly for that. Heard the cheapies fazed that out about 1.5 years after I left.

Regarding the position you're looking at, it doesn't seem terrible, maybe. 2-10pm=40 hours. Most adult, and other, hakwons base the salaries on a 30-hour workweek, so you should think about that. If they give you an hour for dinner and maybe another for prep each day, then that's the 30. If they actually expect you to teach 8 straight, it's a rip-off for only 2.3. It's actually a rip-off for 2.6 if they make you the "head teacher", too. You MAY also have to deal with some less-than-happy co-workers/underlings wondering why you were given the head teacher position when they've been slaving away there for a couple of years already.

And, with the no syllabus thing, you COULD look at that as a very good thing...if you know what you're doing. If they do have students who are begiiners to advanced though, you're gonna have to get yourself a few texts for the lower-intermediates, and then download and print your own stuff for the upper-intermediate to higher levels. I like that kind of set-up as I don't mind planning the curriculum myself. Others hate it.
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