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greyhound
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 Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:57 am Post subject: immigration lawyers |
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how much do immigration lawyers cost in korea? I emailed a few lawyers but have had no reply. I would like to get a E2 visa but if they don't accept my diploma as equivalent to a bachelor's degree I'd like to challenge this in court as it wouldn't be fair not to accept it especially as I sent a university letter stating it is equivalent to a bachelor's.  |
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greyhound
Joined: 10 Jun 2016
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| technially it's a bachelor's degree without honours but I don't think that would make any difference. They probablt accept degrees without honours. I should know by next week if I'll be accepted for an E2 but in case I'mn not, I'd like to try and get it accepted. it's a 4 year full time graduate diploma. |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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We are all holding our breathe, O.P.  |
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pmwhittier
Joined: 03 Nov 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| greyhound wrote: |
| technially it's a bachelor's degree without honours but I don't think that would make any difference. They probablt accept degrees without honours. I should know by next week if I'll be accepted for an E2 but in case I'mn not, I'd like to try and get it accepted. it's a 4 year full time graduate diploma. |
I'll take your case. While I'm technially not a "lawyer" in the legal sense of the word, I have worked with many lawyers and I know how to law. That should probablt work for immigration.
I think I know why many of my colleagues haven't responded to you. It's because you want to get an E2 visa. To many of the lawyers, that usually signifies that you have no money, want to take on a job that pays very little, and want to sue a government agency. So they'd be working for little to no money, which you probably can't pay anyway, on something that is futile.
But I'll take the case. Just finished watching the entire season of "The Grinder" all in one sitting. Should be enough. |
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greyhound
Joined: 10 Jun 2016
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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How do you know I have little money? FYI I own my own home and I have relatives who are, to put it mildly, well off and I can sometimes, not always, get help from them when needed.
I received a reply from a group of Korean lawyers and they have priced this at 5,500,000 won with 3,300,000 to be paid at the start.
Anyway, there is one teacher on waygook who PMed me over a month ago and he got an E2 visa with a HCE diploma from South Africa also with a letter saying it was a bachelor's degree, This was quite some time ago however. It's exciting, my documents have arrived at the depot in the city I have received the offer from. |
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greyhound
Joined: 10 Jun 2016
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="pmwhittier"]
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So they'd be working for little to no money, which you probably can't pay anyway, on something that is futile.
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They'd be working for the price mentioned above, why don;t you do a law degree then if you want to earn decent money? You say everything in Korea is futile anyway. What's futile about seeing a british letter from a university stating a diploma is equivalent to a bachelor's degree? I think that would be quite a strong argument. See if it's acceoted first then. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| greyhound wrote: |
How do you know I have little money? FYI I own my own home and I have relatives who are, to put it mildly, well off and I can sometimes, not always, get help from them when needed.
I received a reply from a group of Korean lawyers and they have priced this at 5,500,000 won with 3,300,000 to be paid at the start.
Anyway, there is one teacher on waygook who PMed me over a month ago and he got an E2 visa with a HCE diploma from South Africa also with a letter saying it was a bachelor's degree, This was quite some time ago however. It's exciting, my documents have arrived at the depot in the city I have received the offer from. |
All indications so far seem to point at you not having success. You will obviously not be in Korea if Immigration denies you the visa. Another poster mentioned in another thread that you are putting the cart before the horse. You're doing that here, also. If your visa application is granted then you have no problem. If it's denied, you will have no recourse as you are out of the country. Is it really worth two thousand pounds (to start) to pursue what will then be losing battle? In 2006, lawyers in Seoul were charging around 300 US dollars an hour for casework. You will not be in Korea so the lawyers will not be assured of payment from you for the simple reason that if you do not pay them, they will have no avenue to force you to pay them.
That's great for your acquaintance on waygook; however, the fact remains that South Korea requires a bachelor degree. If the law or relevant regulation in South Korea provides for recognition of a certificate of higher education as a bachelor's degree, then you're golden. Otherwise, no matter what other degrees you get, Immigration will not recognize the thing. What is the Korean law/regulation on this issue? Have you communicated with ttompatz yet?
Again, I hope you get what you're looking for. |
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greyhound
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:26 am Post subject: |
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My recruiter thinks I should be granted a visa that's why I went ahead and submitted the documents. The school has the documents now and are taking them in to immigration tomorrow. I asked Ttompatz yes, and he just said that it's got to say bachelor of----------- on the parchment. That's all he's willing to say. I don't know how he's qualified to mak the judgement though. He never said.
There must be ways of getting money for solicitor's work. $300 an hour is robbery really. Considering teachers get at most $30 or $40 an hour. I know they have overheads but it's still a lot. I just wish I had a law degree. Anyway they've already said they can do this for the 5.5m won. WHat makes you think I wouldn't win? It's straight forward. The argument would be it's recognised in the UK as a bachelor's degree so it should be accepted as that. It's not as if I'm trying to get a visa with a qualification which isn't a bachelor's degree. No one knows the answer. The odds look good though since the poster on Waygook got his E2 visa with a bachelor's equivalent and accompanying letter. i reckon I will get it myself as I'm confident they know which qualifications are which. They are after all immigration.  |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:04 am Post subject: |
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My recruiter thinks I should be granted a visa that's why I went ahead and submitted the documents. The school has the documents now and are taking them in to immigration tomorrow. I asked Ttompatz yes, and he just said that it's got to say bachelor of----------- on the parchment. That's all he's willing to say. I don't know how he's qualified to mak the judgement though. He never said.
There must be ways of getting money for solicitor's work. $300 an hour is robbery really. Considering teachers get at most $30 or $40 an hour. I know they have overheads but it's still a lot. I just wish I had a law degree. Anyway they've already said they can do this for the 5.5m won. WHat makes you think I wouldn't win? It's straight forward. The argument would be it's recognised in the UK as a bachelor's degree so it should be accepted as that. It's not as if I'm trying to get a visa with a qualification which isn't a bachelor's degree. No one knows the answer. The odds look good though since the poster on Waygook got his E2 visa with a bachelor's equivalent and accompanying letter. i reckon I will get it myself as I'm confident they know which qualifications are which. They are after all immigration. |
The systems are different. A's and O's? What the h3ll are those is what North Americans say. Didn't you say you've been a teacher for quite some time? How do you become a teacher in your home country? Does it matter if it's a real degree/diploma recognized as an acceptable version in South Korea? I think there are rules. If you don't get an E2 visa based on immigration's assessment, you're likely not going to get one from wasting 5G's on a lawyer here either. Best of luck. |
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greyhound
Joined: 10 Jun 2016
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:26 am Post subject: |
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[quote="denverdeath"]
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The systems are different. A's and O's? What the h3ll are those is what North Americans say. Didn't you say you've been a teacher for quite some time? How do you become a teacher in your home country? Does it matter if it's a real degree/diploma recognized as an acceptable version in South Korea? I think there are rules. If you don't get an E2 visa based on immigration's assessment, you're likely not going to get one from wasting 5G's on a lawyer here either. Best of luck. |
Immigration are probably smarter than you think when it comes to As and Os.
What's the point of the Korean judicial system then if you can't win on a point of law? Before I spent 5Gs anyway, I'd want to know what arguments and laws they would use in court to win the case. If they don't have any then I'm not spending my money. Simples. |
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greyhound
Joined: 10 Jun 2016
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Hey guys. I don't think I am going to need a lawyer anyway. I just check what the recruiter sent me about immigration's requirements and it is as follows: This is a requirement from the immigration.
A proof of your education confirmed by a public authority* (i.e. either a copy of a
degree, a proof of degree, or a proof of university graduation which indicates being
conferred a degree)
* The document needs to be confirmed by the Apostille Agreement
I have both a conferred degree (stated in the transcript) and I graduated from a music conservatoire. So I really can't see what all the fuss is about. |
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pmwhittier
Joined: 03 Nov 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| How do you know I have little money? FYI I own my own home and I have relatives who are, to put it mildly, well off and I can sometimes, not always, get help from them when needed. |
Just a thought - since you're wealthy and own a home, why not just open your own academy? Look into an investor visa. That one doesn't have an education requirement, just that you are wealthy and have a certain amount of money on deposit in Korea. An E2 visa to teach at someone else's academy would be wasted on someone of your social standing. |
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pmwhittier
Joined: 03 Nov 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Ah, just saw one of your other MANY, MANY threads. Seems as though you've not even secured a visa yet, and you're already talking of owning a hagwon, or at the very least any school that does employ you will instantly realize that you are #1 super top teacher and make you lead teacher instantly. Ha ha! Brilliant! |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Hey guys. I don't think I am going to need a lawyer anyway. I just check what the recruiter sent me about immigration's requirements and it is as follows: This is a requirement from the immigration.
A proof of your education confirmed by a public authority* (i.e. either a copy of a
degree, a proof of degree, or a proof of university graduation which indicates being
conferred a degree)
* The document needs to be confirmed by the Apostille Agreement
I have both a conferred degree (stated in the transcript) and I graduated from a music conservatoire. So I really can't see what all the fuss is about. |
You still haven't answered the pending query: what is the Korean law on your bachelor's equivalent? |
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greyhound
Joined: 10 Jun 2016
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Immigration rule: PROOF OF DEGREE
accompanying letter quote: .....it was recogised the the (then) department for education and science as conferring the same status as a bachelor's degree......
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