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Unigwont
Joined: 11 Jul 2016
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 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:03 pm Post subject: Job interview tips |
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1. Don't show up in a full suit, bare feet, and flip-flops.
2. Don't chew gum loudly, or at all, in an interview.
3. Don't forget to prepare a demo lesson.
Three out of five job candidate finalists did one of the above, at our uni interview. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Hire the other two. Great, those three clowns just made your job easier.
It's utterly amazing, particularly with the amount of information available via the Internet these days, that job hunters still can't put together a decent resume or CV, and still have a difficult time fathoming even the most basic aspects of a personal interview. |
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Unigwont
Joined: 11 Jul 2016
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I was more amazed that they had put so much effort into the endless documentation our school required, only to put so little into interview prep. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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For some strange reason, some people actually feel that the world owes them a living, that they're unique, valuable individuals, and that they're doing an organization a favor by working for them. They should then be respected, even promoted, because, well, they're them.
By way of comparison, some people feel grateful when they're given an opportunity to work for a salary, and they do everything they can within reason to continually demonstrate that they deserve to stay where they are. These people know that respect and promotions are earned, and to get ahead you need to bring something to the table. |
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Unigwont
Joined: 11 Jul 2016
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Kid you not.... In the end, all my Korean bosses could talk about was how much this person we hired resembles (in their eyes) a previous coworker who did a good job.
Another candidate said he was into sports and was an outdoors person. Our bosses had this serious debate about not hiring him, because, "He might decide to leave school for a bike ride, and come back sweaty for class."
I shit you not. There are clueless people on both sides of the fence. |
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greyhound
Joined: 10 Jun 2016
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| Unigwont wrote: |
I shit you not. There are clueless people on both sides of the fence. |
Do you hire English teachers with that kind of language? Yikes. Just what do you teach those 18-21 year old Korea students. I have serious doubts about "university professors", what they teach and how much they think they're worth. Do you have one of those MA TESOL thingy's?  |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:16 am Post subject: |
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Mic on, and Biden says to Obama, "This is a big f*^^ing deal!". Guess that use of language makes him unqualified to be the VP.
There's a difference between free expression on a board and what is done in the classroom. I'm certainly guilty of misspellings and grammatical blunders here, as are you. I'm not disqualifying myself from the classroom, though. Are you?
Lighten up, Francis. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| PRagic wrote: |
Mic on, and Biden says to Obama, "This is a big f*^^ing deal!". Guess that use of language makes him unqualified to be the VP.
There's a difference between free expression on a board and what is done in the classroom. I'm certainly guilty of misspellings and grammatical blunders here, as are you. I'm not disqualifying myself from the classroom, though. Are you?
Lighten up, Francis. |
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JohnML
Joined: 05 Jul 2015
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| Unigwont wrote: |
Kid you not.... In the end, all my Korean bosses could talk about was how much this person we hired resembles (in their eyes) a previous coworker who did a good job.
Another candidate said he was into sports and was an outdoors person. Our bosses had this serious debate about not hiring him, because, "He might decide to leave school for a bike ride, and come back sweaty for class."
I shit you not. There are clueless people on both sides of the fence. |
I'm gonna get slaughtered for this but I think this is indicative of the shitty low paid ESL sector, not Korea bosses in general and you are right it works both ways. Get into a proper university and you'll see it's a lot different, get into a proper sector and you'll see a job interview with 5 stages all extremely well planned out.
I don't think most hagwons give a shit who they hire as long as they are a native and look like one. Get us students and keep those students, make us money. Who gives a shit what the students learn, not me? Meanwhile if you're working with big business projects and shit goes wrong, someone gets sued or loses millions and millions of bucks. So they need to be sure.
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| PRagic wrote: |
Mic on, and Biden says to Obama, "This is a big f*^^ing deal!". Guess that use of language makes him unqualified to be the VP.
There's a difference between free expression on a board and what is done in the classroom. I'm certainly guilty of misspellings and grammatical blunders here, as are you. I'm not disqualifying myself from the classroom, though. Are you?
Lighten up, Francis. |
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Oh dear he made a mistake on Dave's ESL Cafe, now his career is ruined. Teachers should be perfectly tuned on even when they're drunk, in fact that's the de facto standard for any interviews I do in the future. I'm gonna take the prospective employee out to drink get friendly with them, then when they're blind drunk. Say the alphabet backwards in 4 seconds, that's our qualifying time. I'd like to see their faces. |
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greyhound
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Can you even get a university job with a CELTA?
My hagwon are choosy who they choose as they go on quality instruction. Students pay good money for instruction at Hagwons so they deserve good quality instruction. If you can't be bothered to create good quality , stimulating lessons, go work for Berlitz instead then.  |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Can you even get a university job with a CELTA?
My hagwon are choosy who they choose as they go on quality instruction. Students pay good money for instruction at Hagwons so they deserve good quality instruction. If you can't be bothered to create good quality , stimulating lessons, go work for Berlitz instead then. |
Generally Korean university ESL departments do not care at all about how a teacher/lecturer/professor performs in the class room. The fact that they don't require any practical teaching qualifications at all for their positions, or do any quality control observations, is testament to this. |
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greyhound
Joined: 10 Jun 2016
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:54 am Post subject: |
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[quote="edwardcatflap"]
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Generally Korean university ESL departments do not care at all about how a teacher/lecturer/professor performs in the class room. The fact that they don't require any practical teaching qualifications at all for their positions, or do any quality control observations, is testament to this. |
I thought you needed a MA in TESOL or Applied linguistics or English to get into a uni.  |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:56 am Post subject: |
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[quote="greyhound"]
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Generally Korean university ESL departments do not care at all about how a teacher/lecturer/professor performs in the class room. The fact that they don't require any practical teaching qualifications at all for their positions, or do any quality control observations, is testament to this. |
I thought you needed a MA in TESOL or Applied linguistics or English to get into a uni. |
Neither of which are usually practical qualifications. And besides which most Korean universities are still asking for an MA in any subject plus 2 years of uni experience. This as we all know could have involved 2 years of someone without a clue about the subject talking bollocks. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| greyhound wrote: |
Can you even get a university job with a CELTA?
My hagwon are choosy who they choose as they go on quality instruction. Students pay good money for instruction at Hagwons so they deserve good quality instruction. If you can't be bothered to create good quality , stimulating lessons, go work for Berlitz instead then. |
Generally Korean university ESL departments do not care at all about how a teacher/lecturer/professor performs in the class room. The fact that they don't require any practical teaching qualifications at all for their positions, or do any quality control observations, is testament to this. |
It is more complicated than that. In the chain of command different people demand different things or prefer differnt things many of which are at odds with each other. But you are responsible to them all.
You accurately describe the higher ups. Mid level management is a different story alltogether. They are sanctimonious as hell and will cut you down for any mistake you make or they feel you made.. It makes them feel good about themselves to put foreign instructors in their place.
Working for a big famous school is not a cush job. They will work you unti you are sick
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| GENO123 wrote: |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| greyhound wrote: |
Can you even get a university job with a CELTA?
My hagwon are choosy who they choose as they go on quality instruction. Students pay good money for instruction at Hagwons so they deserve good quality instruction. If you can't be bothered to create good quality , stimulating lessons, go work for Berlitz instead then. |
Generally Korean university ESL departments do not care at all about how a teacher/lecturer/professor performs in the class room. The fact that they don't require any practical teaching qualifications at all for their positions, or do any quality control observations, is testament to this. |
It is more complicated than that. |
Obviously not at unigwont's university
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| Kid you not.... In the end, all my Korean bosses could talk about was how much this person we hired resembles (in their eyes) a previous coworker who did a good job. |
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