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Does YBM ask for full documents from Koreans?

 
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big_fella1



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:04 pm    Post subject: Does YBM ask for full documents from Koreans? Reply with quote

I just saw an ad for YBM where they insist on full documents from people regardless of visa status or length of stay in Korea.

I'm wondering if they insist on the same documents on their Korean (born and citizen) hires?

I know Busan Office of Education didn't insist on any documents from my Korean wife to work in a Hagwon, but insisted on the full load from me.
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Unigwont



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So?

If you don't like their policy, vote with your feet and work elsewhere.

Assuming you are not also a Korean citizen, you are a foreigner, and not entitled to the same legal protections, in all cases.

This "worldview, we should be treated equally everywhere, without discrimination" is a load of crap, IMHO. They don't know you. They don't know if you were a child molestor back home, or a rapist, or a radical islamist.
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big_fella1



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unigwont wrote:
So?

If you don't like their policy, vote with your feet and work elsewhere.

Assuming you are not also a Korean citizen, you are a foreigner, and not entitled to the same legal protections, in all cases.

This "worldview, we should be treated equally everywhere, without discrimination" is a load of crap, IMHO. They don't know you. They don't know if you were a child molestor back home, or a rapist, or a radical islamist.


I live in my home country, part of the reason is people expressing the ignorant opinions you just have. The bigger reason is there being no discrimination protection despite Korea ratifying CERD. Try reading article 6 of your own constitution.

I comment because I don't want my Korean citizen daughter to hate where she was born.

How do they know that the Korean wasn't a pedophile, terrorist etc in my country. A couple of years ago 50% of the Koreans murdered in my town were murdered by Koreans. This doesn't justify racism against Koreans where I live either.
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Coltronator



Joined: 04 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is interesting, my wife had to get her Canadian Degree translated and notarized for the BOE when she was applying around. Maybe that was because of the foreign education or just the employer's request.
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Unigwont



Joined: 11 Jul 2016

PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_fella1 wrote:
Unigwont wrote:
So?

If you don't like their policy, vote with your feet and work elsewhere.

Assuming you are not also a Korean citizen, you are a foreigner, and not entitled to the same legal protections, in all cases.

This "worldview, we should be treated equally everywhere, without discrimination" is a load of crap, IMHO. They don't know you. They don't know if you were a child molestor back home, or a rapist, or a radical islamist.


I live in my home country, part of the reason is people expressing the ignorant opinions you just have. The bigger reason is there being no discrimination protection despite Korea ratifying CERD. Try reading article 6 of your own constitution.

I comment because I don't want my Korean citizen daughter to hate where she was born.

How do they know that the Korean wasn't a pedophile, terrorist etc in my country. A couple of years ago 50% of the Koreans murdered in my town were murdered by Koreans. This doesn't justify racism against Koreans where I live either.



So, you are saying that Koreans need no such checks when applying for citizenship in your country? Or work with children? Sounds like your own country's lack of sense.

Another example: Should we expect banks to just loan money to anyone, without proof of history? We had an employee from England with this ridiculously grand open-everything, worldview such as yours -- he bitched about anything and everything whenever asked to provide docunentation-- even related to banks and credit . He ran off, owing credit companies over 5 million won. Gee, I wonder why he was so against it, and what he actually did to harm his grandiose worldview ideals?


This is not a question of equal treatment. It is a question of you needing to provide a criminal history, or degree history, or whatever. So provide it. Is there a big problem?

Perhaps, you have a rather expanded interpretation of your freedoms, and the requirements of employers, per article 6? Don't like it, and feel it is unfair, or the law is being broken? Then sue. And if you feel like Asia is bending rules to their advantage -- guess what: you're talking like Trump. Maybe you should vote for him?

I have an, "ignorant opinion?" Perhaps your opinion is just uneducated?

You should think about your daughter's future, and who is allowed to live in her country. Europe tried this idiotic, unchecked mass immigration mess, and look at what's happened.

I am glad Korea checks things out.
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goat



Joined: 23 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unigwont wrote:
big_fella1 wrote:
Unigwont wrote:
So?

If you don't like their policy, vote with your feet and work elsewhere.

Assuming you are not also a Korean citizen, you are a foreigner, and not entitled to the same legal protections, in all cases.

This "worldview, we should be treated equally everywhere, without discrimination" is a load of crap, IMHO. They don't know you. They don't know if you were a child molestor back home, or a rapist, or a radical islamist.


I live in my home country, part of the reason is people expressing the ignorant opinions you just have. The bigger reason is there being no discrimination protection despite Korea ratifying CERD. Try reading article 6 of your own constitution.

I comment because I don't want my Korean citizen daughter to hate where she was born.

How do they know that the Korean wasn't a pedophile, terrorist etc in my country. A couple of years ago 50% of the Koreans murdered in my town were murdered by Koreans. This doesn't justify racism against Koreans where I live either.



So, you are saying that Koreans need no such checks when applying for citizenship in your country? Or work with children? Sounds like your own country's lack of sense.

Another example: Should we expect banks to just loan money to anyone, without proof of history? We had an employee from England with this ridiculously grand open-everything, worldview such as yours -- he bitched about anything and everything whenever asked to provide docunentation-- even related to banks and credit . He ran off, owing credit companies over 5 million won. Gee, I wonder why he was so against it, and what he actually did to harm his grandiose worldview ideals?


This is not a question of equal treatment. It is a question of you needing to provide a criminal history, or degree history, or whatever. So provide it. Is there a big problem?

Perhaps, you have a rather expanded interpretation of your freedoms, and the requirements of employers, per article 6? Don't like it, and feel it is unfair, or the law is being broken? Then sue. And if you feel like Asia is bending rules to their advantage -- guess what: you're talking like Trump. Maybe you should vote for him?

I have an, "ignorant opinion?" Perhaps your opinion is just uneducated?

You should think about your daughter's future, and who is allowed to live in her country. Europe tried this idiotic, unchecked mass immigration mess, and look at what's happened.

I am glad Korea checks things out.


I don't believe you had an employee from England who ran off owing credit companies over 5 million won. It's pretty much impossible. You conveniently made that story up to try to justify your bigotry.
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big_fella1



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I'm highly uneducated, I only have 2 masters degrees.

I would have no problem with supplying the aforementioned documnents, however the majority of pedophiles in Korea are Korean, the majority of criminals in Korea are Korean and to my knowledge since the end of the Korean war, all terrorists have been Korean. Why doesn't YBM adult hagwon require these documents from Korean staff for every country they've lived in if adults are in danger from pedophiles??????? Perhaps we should be submitting a dictionary with applications as well. Everyone with a non A Korean visa has submitted a home country criminal record check to get their visa and doing break and enters in L.A. are difficult when you live in Korea already.

You claim someone ran off with 5 million, they're pathetic. The only loan I couldn't get in Korea was a mortgage, because you know the way foreigners put down 40% deposit and then take their apartment home???????? My credit limits are significantly higher than 5 million in Korea yet I still pay my bills despite living at home. I also paid out my car loans before leaving Korea even though my Korean employer ripped me off for almost 5 million.

I don't see any big problem in Europe despite immigration except for a few bad apples out of millions, but funny how you ignored Canada, Australia, and New Zealand none of which are perfect but are highly successful migrant countries.

Finally if you are Korean and you hate migrants and globalisation you are very lucky, all you have to do is move north.

Coltronator was that for hagwons or public schools?
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Coltronator



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hagwons, big chain.
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Unigwont



Joined: 11 Jul 2016

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

goat wrote:
Unigwont wrote:
big_fella1 wrote:
Unigwont wrote:
So?

If you don't like their policy, vote with your feet and work elsewhere.

Assuming you are not also a Korean citizen, you are a foreigner, and not entitled to the same legal protections, in all cases.

This "worldview, we should be treated equally everywhere, without discrimination" is a load of crap, IMHO. They don't know you. They don't know if you were a child molestor back home, or a rapist, or a radical islamist.


I live in my home country, part of the reason is people expressing the ignorant opinions you just have. The bigger reason is there being no discrimination protection despite Korea ratifying CERD. Try reading article 6 of your own constitution.

I comment because I don't want my Korean citizen daughter to hate where she was born.

How do they know that the Korean wasn't a pedophile, terrorist etc in my country. A couple of years ago 50% of the Koreans murdered in my town were murdered by Koreans. This doesn't justify racism against Koreans where I live either.



So, you are saying that Koreans need no such checks when applying for citizenship in your country? Or work with children? Sounds like your own country's lack of sense.

Another example: Should we expect banks to just loan money to anyone, without proof of history? We had an employee from England with this ridiculously grand open-everything, worldview such as yours -- he bitched about anything and everything whenever asked to provide docunentation-- even related to banks and credit . He ran off, owing credit companies over 5 million won. Gee, I wonder why he was so against it, and what he actually did to harm his grandiose worldview ideals?


This is not a question of equal treatment. It is a question of you needing to provide a criminal history, or degree history, or whatever. So provide it. Is there a big problem?

Perhaps, you have a rather expanded interpretation of your freedoms, and the requirements of employers, per article 6? Don't like it, and feel it is unfair, or the law is being broken? Then sue. And if you feel like Asia is bending rules to their advantage -- guess what: you're talking like Trump. Maybe you should vote for him?

I have an, "ignorant opinion?" Perhaps your opinion is just uneducated?

You should think about your daughter's future, and who is allowed to live in her country. Europe tried this idiotic, unchecked mass immigration mess, and look at what's happened.

I am glad Korea checks things out.


I don't believe you had an employee from England who ran off owing credit companies over 5 million won. It's pretty much impossible. You conveniently made that story up to try to justify your bigotry.



Bigotry of who?

Border protection, and strongly vetting refugees is not bigotry.

As per the Brit...yes, it happened. Lotte card sent collections to our school. Our boss was not happy.

To the op...

Canada is not a highly-successful immigrant country. The population over that massive land area is about that of Korea. Canada is a tiny country with lots of land. There are very few immigrants there, when you count numbers, and then you can spread them out over massive areas, which keeps them from congregating in troubled groups. And you are glossing-over the immigrant troubles in Australia. Many, many Aussies would take issue with what you said.


All of this because you took offense to providing common paperwork.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The long and short of it is that, yes, Koreans usually have to provide proof of a criminal background check. This is provided by the Korean police.

Degrees earned in Korea are easily verifiable, and as Koreans don't need to have docs to satisfy immigration requirements, the bar is set lower in terms of providing third party verification.

Korean also normally have to submit their employment history, verified via documentation provided by previous employers. There's a certificate form that all employers are required to provide, one form for current employment verification, and a different one for past emplyment verification.

Even if you're on an F-visa, meaning that you, and by extention your potential employer, won't have to go through the immigration process, they'll still probably want to see verification of degrees and criminal background check. Depends on the place. They can request whatever document their little hearts desire.
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