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hamilto8
Joined: 09 Mar 2016
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:52 am Post subject: Impossible to find Uni work? |
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Hi all,
I have been applying for university gigs in South Korea for several months and haven't gotten a single reply back. At this point, I'm wondering if I should just give up.
Some background: I am an American with a BA in International Studies and have a CELTA. I taught in China for 5 years, from 2011 until 2016, entirely at the university level. This includes 1 year at a private university, and 4 years at public universities.
My first uni gig in China was pretty bottom rung, but I climbed up and eventually found my way into a pretty decent gig. Now I've been trying to find Uni work in South Korea, which, I understand, is harder to come by than in China.
Honestly, I have been looking over the qualifications for several uni job postings on this website and many of them say that will accept applicants who have a BA and 4 years teaching experience at the university level. Now, with my 5 years experience in China, I have that, obviously. But no matter how many uni job postings I apply to, I never get a reply. This is the most frustrating aspect of all; just not hearing anything in reply. Not even a generic form rejection letter.
So, am I doing anything wrong? Is finding uni work in Korea going to be impossible for someone with my background? |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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You are doing 2 things wrong.
A) you are outside of the country
B) you are competing in a field where any MA trumps you and there are lots of MA holders competing for those same jobs.
Get in the country.
Get some time "in country" under your belt.
Make some connections when you are here and get your preferred job. It really is more about who you know and who knows you - especially if you do not have an MA and 2 years post grad on your resume.
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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TTompatz is spot on. Your best bet is to keep firing off resumes for any and all positions that will even consider BA holders with uni experience.
A lot of places hire last minute. If you're still in the pile, and if there are no more MA holders in that pile, you might just get a call.
K universities do like to hire in-country, though, as they by and large don't pay for transportation, relocation, or visa-runs. They don't need to beause there are a TON of people here who already have their MA, many of whom had lower tier uni jobs and then did an on-line MA along the way.
You might be able to get a job at a university institute. Those aren't much better than regular institute jobs, but you'll probably get a bit more free time and longer holidays.
If you're serious about teaching ESL at university anywhere over the long term, best to just knock out the MA. Eventually, Chinese universities will be looking for MA holders as well.
Just as in Korea, you'll probably be able to find jobs with just the BA, but they won't be too great. The good, long term postions almost exclusively require the MA.
Best of luck with the search. If you do manage to get a job, knock out that MA and work your way up the food chain. |
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The Doctor
Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Location: Somewhere in time and space
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:48 am Post subject: |
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any updates? |
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kona
Joined: 24 Jan 2012 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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PRagic wrote: |
You might be able to get a job at a university institute. Those aren't much better than regular institute jobs, but you'll probably get a bit more free time and longer holidays.
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That's what I'd do. Or you could come over for a year doing EPIK or an adult hagwon and see if you can swing a uni gig after that.
I said this on another thread, but I'll echo myself again (and many others); it's a real tight market, and some unis are laying off their foreign teachers and/or requiring MAs. That means you'll be competing with joe shmoe BA who got his uni gig in '07 and is married to a Korean national. A uni that would hire someone with a BA is going to pick joe over you any day of the week. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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I just accepted a uni job. Teaching 15 contact hrs a week 1.4 million plus housing.
Three weeks holiday a year. Much worse contract that last time I was here  |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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1.4? Was that a typo? A joke? And only 3 weeks off a YEAR, not twice a year (at least)? |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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1.4? Was that a typo? A joke? And only 3 weeks off a YEAR, not twice a year (at least)? |
No typo, I thought it would be better to accept a low offer to get my foot in the door.
At least housing is included too. It's quite small though, but it's a start. not too keen on the idea of sharing a kitchen though!
The holiday is low because of the possibility of some extra programs, 15,000 per hour, likely to be 4-5 a day she said during the winter. |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Lucas wrote: |
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1.4? Was that a typo? A joke? And only 3 weeks off a YEAR, not twice a year (at least)? |
No typo, I thought it would be better to accept a low offer to get my foot in the door.
At least housing is included too. It's quite small though, but it's a start. not too keen on the idea of sharing a kitchen though!
The holiday is low because of the possibility of some extra programs, 15,000 per hour, likely to be 4-5 a day she said during the winter. |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:10 am Post subject: |
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Hope you have a way to pad your income, OP.
I can see the logic of taking a low paying job, albeit not THAT low, if you already have your MA and just need 2 years of experience so you can apply for better slots.
Been in Korea going on 25 years, and I can't recall ever hearing of a university job that paid so little with so little time off.
Do a year, but start chucking in applications for decent jobs ASAP. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hope you have a way to pad your income, OP.
I can see the logic of taking a low paying job, albeit not THAT low, if you already have your MA and just need 2 years of experience so you can apply for better slots.
Been in Korea going on 25 years, and I can't recall ever hearing of a university job that paid so little with so little time off.
Do a year, but start chucking in applications for decent jobs ASAP. |
Yeah thanks for the info. Just got my contract through today, feel a little cheated. The 1.4 they quoted me before was a lie!
I will be paid 15,600,000 per year PLUS severance of one months pay at the end of the contract.
So using my poor math skill that's 1.3 per month! plus severance, the person I spoke to over the phone said the 1.4 was a ball park figure inc severance!!!
Lesson learnt I guess. Get everything in writing, not verbal! |
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thrylos

Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah thanks for the info. Just got my contract through today, feel a little cheated. The 1.4 they quoted me before was a lie!
I will be paid 15,600,000 per year PLUS severance of one months pay at the end of the contract.
So using my poor math skill that's 1.3 per month! plus severance, the person I spoke to over the phone said the 1.4 was a ball park figure inc severance!!!
Lesson learnt I guess. Get everything in writing, not verbal! |
Really curious, mind tell us which one it is? Are you in NE Seoul near a woman's uni? |
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