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jaebea
Joined: 21 Sep 2003
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It's because she's waiting for me to come back from Sydney.. :D I'll come back with riches, and both Katy and I will elope for a shotgun theme wedding at Vegas.
I'm a hopeless romantic... :)
In any case, I think kangnamdragon's early post flew right under the radar here:
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| I expect to be treated like a Korean when I want, and treated like a foreigner when I want. Luckily, I usually get my way. I can get the best of both worlds. |
This is a topic worth exploring. I think that's what Mashimaro was looking to explore a little in depth too.
You don't really want to be treated like other Koreans.. you're just another face in a seething mass.
jae. |
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katydid
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| jaebea wrote: |
It's because she's waiting for me to come back from Sydney..  I'll come back with riches, and both Katy and I will elope for a shotgun theme wedding at Vegas.
I'm a hopeless romantic...  |
Shhhh....I told you to be quiet about that!
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In any case, I think kangnamdragon's early post flew right under the radar here:
| kangnamdragon wrote: |
| I expect to be treated like a Korean when I want, and treated like a foreigner when I want. Luckily, I usually get my way. I can get the best of both worlds. |
This is a topic worth exploring. I think that's what Mashimaro was looking to explore a little in depth too.
You don't really want to be treated like other Koreans.. you're just another face in a seething mass.
jae. |
I have to agree with what KD said. Unfortunately, it's nice to be treated like a foreigner when it's beneficial (free stuff cause I'm white!) and nice to be treated like a Korean when it's beneficial (Teacher's Day gifts for example.) |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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I like it that, when I don't want to deal with someone (salesman, church people, etc) I can just pretend not to understand them.
I guess that means I don't mind being treated differently. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote:
. . . how we treat a "fellow human being" is going to depend on what culture we are from, and whether or not we consider that fellow human being to be answerable to the same cultural norms as we are. For example, if a Korean human being who happens to be female lights up a smoke on a public street, her fellow human beings will take it upon themselves to lecture her on the impropriety of what she is doing. But a western human being who happens to be female might be cut a bit of slack if she lights up a smoke on a public street in Korea, because the Koreans think oh well, she's a way-gook, that's what they do.
In my experience, the female waygooks here have to follow a higher moral code than the Korean girls, at least part of the time- to combat the stereotypes. I've gotten lecttured for not following outdated Korean cultural norms many times. ( according to Korean friends the norms were outdated)
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Thanks for that perspective, Peppermint. I suppose everyone could substitute some other cultural norm in place of "smoking in public".
Then again, if what you say is true, perhaps most examples would be gender-specific? |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess I can say I get treated like a foreigner when I am in public and when I get my pay. I am treated like a Korean when I am hanging with my friends. |
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Mashimaro
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| I am treated like a Korean when I am hanging with my friends. |
Are you really? If you are the youngest in a group of koreans do they rag on you and tell you to do stuff for them? If you are the oldest do you pay for everyone. Do you reply to your juniors mono syllabically, and hang on every word hyong says?
I don't pretend to be an expert on Korean culture, but I seriously doubt you are treated exactly as a korean would be. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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I don't dig the Confucian thing. It still strikes me as weird. Many Koreans think it is weird that I can have a friend who is ten or more years older or younger than me. I'm glad we don't do the Confucian thing.
Me: "Where is your friend today?" (girl absent or late)
Student: "Teacher, no, we not friends, she's second year, I'm first year (middle school girls).... (turns to other girls who knowingly nods... �̱���..... �̻���) |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Mashimaro wrote: |
| kangnamdragon wrote: |
| I am treated like a Korean when I am hanging with my friends. |
Are you really? If you are the youngest in a group of koreans do they rag on you and tell you to do stuff for them? If you are the oldest do you pay for everyone. Do you reply to your juniors mono syllabically, and hang on every word hyong says?
I don't pretend to be an expert on Korean culture, but I seriously doubt you are treated exactly as a korean would be. |
The answer to your questions is "yes". |
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Mashimaro
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| kangnamdragon wrote: |
| Mashimaro wrote: |
| kangnamdragon wrote: |
| I am treated like a Korean when I am hanging with my friends. |
Are you really? If you are the youngest in a group of koreans do they rag on you and tell you to do stuff for them? If you are the oldest do you pay for everyone. Do you reply to your juniors mono syllabically, and hang on every word hyong says?
I don't pretend to be an expert on Korean culture, but I seriously doubt you are treated exactly as a korean would be. |
The answer to your questions is "yes". |
hmmm I suspect that is BS but of course I have no way to prove it. Are you the same guy who wants your girlfriend to call you Oppa... and while on that topic, I guess in true korean style you would not date a woman much older than you. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Good point. With all the whining and complaining we foreigners do would we really want to be part of the Korean culture and its expectations and duties/obligations? Being out of that means, however, that the Koreans can tend to regard you as a 'dud', a kind of dullard who's not with it, and we aren't! I sometimes think Koreans are rather mad, as in 'crazy'. So many of the women seem to think purely of image and so behave like self-treasured princesses. Fine for them! And so many of the men seem to see themselves as 'real men' in some form or another. So the women are 'passive' and 'whiney' waiting for their prince to come. As well, notions of truth seem to go out the window so often and depending on the spin someone puts on something they've heard. The hierarchy and politicking which go on are immobile and Koreans know this and behave accordingly. So they seem to run up and down the hierarchy effectively stroking this, delivering that, well aware that sucking up and deceptions is the way to put a proper face on things to get somewhere, like it's a game. The West has its version of these adult games. There I'd just take them for granted, and accept it. And play it. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 4:42 am Post subject: |
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hmmm I suspect that is BS but of course I have no way to prove it. Are you the same guy who wants your girlfriend to call you Oppa... and while on that topic, I guess in true korean style you would not date a woman much older than you. |
All of my younger female friends here and girlfriends have called me "oppa", and I would not date an older woman, true.
and why do you care? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 6:46 am Post subject: |
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Mashimaro wrote:
hmmm I suspect that is BS but of course I have no way to prove it. Are you the same guy who wants your girlfriend to call you Oppa... and while on that topic, I guess in true korean style you would not date a woman much older than you.
All of my younger female friends here and girlfriends have called me "oppa", and I would not date an older woman, true.
and why do you care?
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Presumably he cares because it relates to the issue of whether or not you behave like a Korean, as you claim. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Mashimaro wrote:
hmmm I suspect that is BS but of course I have no way to prove it. Are you the same guy who wants your girlfriend to call you Oppa... and while on that topic, I guess in true korean style you would not date a woman much older than you.
All of my younger female friends here and girlfriends have called me "oppa", and I would not date an older woman, true.
and why do you care?
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Presumably he cares because it relates to the issue of whether or not you behave like a Korean, as you claim. |
I have said I am sometimes treated like a Korean and I sometimes act like a Korean. I know I am not a Korean. I don't see why it is hard to believe. |
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jajdude
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Kangnamdragon, are you kyopo? |
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Blind Willie
Joined: 05 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| How about looking at me as a fellow human being, rather than as a prettily-colored fish inside an aquarium or a potentially dangerous animal that has somehow escaped from the zoo. |
I'm a pretty fish! Glub Glub! |
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