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PatrickSiheung · Joined: 21 May 2003

My bad. I haven't spent a lot of time in the states and I guess I assumed too much.

I guess I've always considered Canada to be much more multicultural though. Yes I know there are many different cultures in the USA but being from Canada I've always been led to believe that all people there conform to an American standard. Know what I mean?

I wasn't aware that in the USA you had those multicultural days though. Anyway, when I said that I wasn't trying to say that Canada has them and the USA doesn't. It may have sounded that way, but it wasn't my intention. I was just stating some facts about Canada.

Honest question here... is racism not much more rampant in the USA? It seems cultural differences aren't tolerated as easily there. Perhaps it's just thanks to the media, but when I think USA and different cultures, I think, KKK, gangs in L.A. I'm sure Canada has it's fair share, but nothing compared to the USA. Again, I'm asking here...

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Tiger Beer · Joined: 07 Feb 2003

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PatrickSiheung · Joined: 21 May 2003

Good response thanks. I guess the USA isn't such a bad place afterall lol.
I never thought about the number of immigrants going into the US versus Canada or the way the USA has more country surrounding it...good point!

It's nice to hear that racism isn't tolerated there. I was under the impression that something like the KKK was just a part of living there. They may not burn crosses anymore, but I still thought they existed in some communities. Mayhaps in the south?

As for Canada's policy to only allow rich and educated foreigners into the country... I'm glad it's that way. Canada may be a large country but most of it is too cold to settle in LOL Notice how we're all cramped near the US border? If we let just about anyone in, our country would probably look more like Korea! Dirty and crowded Confused

Blind Willie · Joined: 05 May 2004

crito03 · Joined: 30 Jun 2003 Location: Seoul

Usually Tiger, I find your posts to be informative and balanced, however in this case I think that you haven't really done your homework.

Your claim that Canada has it easy because we just add rich asians to the mix and call ourselves multicultural is a bit off target. First let me post the link to stats can which if you take the time to look you will see that you are way off the mark.
http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/demo25.htm

According to this site (very legitimate) between 1991 and 2001 Canada had just under 2 million immigrants. With a population of 30 million that works out to just about 7 percent of the population.

From that total only about 400000 came from the richer parts of Asia. So the remaining 1.6 million individuals obviously came from various other places. Even the 400000 number is a bit skewerd because it includes immigrants during the handover of Hong Kong which I am sure caused a bump globally in immigration.

If you look at the stats you will see that 100000 came from Central and South America, 85000 from the Caribbean, 140000 from Africa and 185000 from South East Asia. Now these numbers may seem small relative to America but we are almost 1/10 of the population of the States so these numbers are huge for Canada.

I don't know what the stats are for immigration in the States but I would find it hard to believe that in the past ten years America has let in more than 7% of their population in immigration. That would work out to be approximately 18 million. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. By that same figure America would have had to let in 850000 people from the Caribbean and 1.4 million people from Africa. Maybe they have but I certainly don't think that Canada has been a slouch in that category. And as such should not be on the receiving end of some of those acusations that you have levelled at it.

On a final note, Canada's population was 26 million in 1991 and now it is 30 million, that is a 4 million increase of which almost half of that has been through immigration. I wonder if America has had half of it's population growth done through immigration.

As for the OP, now that you have learned how nice and accepting Canada is, maybe you should apply. You obviously have a sick obession with Canada. We even let in the weirdos Laughing

Tiger Beer · Joined: 07 Feb 2003

I�m looking at the table now. 600,000 Latinos across Canada. There are an estimated 8 million illegal in the US (minimum half would be from south of the border). The legal Latin population alone is 38.7 million. So lets say 45 million latinos. You could divide that number by the 50 states, and proportionally each state would have much much higher numbers than the entire country of Canada collectively with Latinos. So, basically its about 90x more Latinos in the US than Canada.

African population in Canada. 282,000. If you want you can add the Carribean population of 294,000. Not all the Africans and Carribeans are black though (many are probably commonwealth South Africans, etc). Anyhow, probably black Americans have immigrated up there so it�ll more or less balance out. So we�ll say 600,000 black people in Canada. African population in the US: 36.7 million. So again, there are about 70x more African people in the US.

In both cases, total 600,000 Latinos in all of Canada or 600,000 Blacks in all of Canada is miniscule numbers. There are more than 600,000 Koreans alone that live in Los Angeles alone. There is something like 600,000 Middle Easterns (predominately Iraq) that live in the Detroit area alone. Its like that all across the US. So the Canada numbers are extremely low comparitively. Meaning 600,000 even on a 30 million population just doesn�t have the impact when you have just one subset of one nationality in significantly smaller cities than the entire country of Canada.

Asians. Canada is highest in the Asian immigration of 2 million. (The rest of the numbers are predominately Europeans or commonwealth or Americans). But we�re just talking racial diversity here. So 2 million Asians in Canada. The US has 12 million. So we have about 6x more Asians. We have 10x more people than Canada.. so proportionally there are more Asians in Canada.. proportionally. Number-wise there are more Asians in Los Angeles alone than all of Canada.

So lets move into percentages and proportions. There are only 30 million Canadians.. and about 3 million are non-whites... so thats 90% white and 10% non-white.

Lets compare it to the US. 13% of Americans are Latino and an additional 13% are African. So percentage-wise thats 26% right there.. combine the 4% Asian and you have 30% non-white and 70% white.

Number-wise its 90 million non-whites in the US.. which is 30x higher than Canada�s 3 million non-whites. (US population is 10x more than Canada, so having 30x more non-whites is significantly higher).

Just as an additional aside.. I was looking at the stats of Canada�s most multicultural city, Toronto. Toronto is 31% non-white and 69% white. So roughly the most multicultural city of Toronto would be an average of the entire ethnic mix in the United States in its entirety.

Anyhow, its not to say Canada isn�t multicultural.. it is. But anyhow.. just pulling out stats to show comparisons. Most Canadian websites pull out white populations to show diversity.. commonwealth immigration, americans immigrating northward, comparitive of foreign-born (its a relatively new phenemenom to break the older no immigration to non-white policies). So when you twist the data in those ways, it can seem very high or skewed.

I�m just going purely on race.. black, white, asian, latino. Nothing more and nothing less. It gives a stronger sense of multi-racial. Maybe thats the difference. I�m talking multi-racial.

Canada census: http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/demo25.htm
US census: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html