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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Hmm...I've actually made this point before, but not while in Korea. When in Korea I'm still a �ܱ��� even when inside my classroom, but I don't let them get away with it when I'm back in Canada. The definition of �ܱ��� doesn't say anything about 'non-Korean' though it certainly is implied considering that 99.999% of non-Koreans don't know the word in the first place.
I would consider Kyopos to be �ܱ��� as well though that's more by definition than by anything else; they can get away with being thought of as being Korean as long as their language skills are up to the task.
I don't think there's a clear answer to this; the definition is too vague. It looks like everybody's right. And in the first place it was brought up as a teaching method, and since anything that gets their attention is a good teaching method, Wylde is right as well. At least it gets them thinking. |
If you have a kyopo friend, ask to see his/her version of our alien ID cards. It should refer to the bearer as a "dongpo", not a "waegookin", as ours do. |
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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this was just spose to be an idea to get the students attention...
worked for me 
carry on with the squabble if you need |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
Hmm...I've actually made this point before, but not while in Korea. When in Korea I'm still a �ܱ��� even when inside my classroom, but I don't let them get away with it when I'm back in Canada. The definition of �ܱ��� doesn't say anything about 'non-Korean' though it certainly is implied considering that 99.999% of non-Koreans don't know the word in the first place.
I would consider Kyopos to be �ܱ��� as well though that's more by definition than by anything else; they can get away with being thought of as being Korean as long as their language skills are up to the task.
I don't think there's a clear answer to this; the definition is too vague. It looks like everybody's right. And in the first place it was brought up as a teaching method, and since anything that gets their attention is a good teaching method, Wylde is right as well. At least it gets them thinking. |
If you have a kyopo friend, ask to see his/her version of our alien ID cards. It should refer to the bearer as a "dongpo", not a "waegookin", as ours do. |
The example you refered to here is probabaly due to the kyopo's ethinicity. Koreans probably don't interpret this as 'outside country person". However, should a Korean refer to me as such when in the UK, they would be literally incorrect. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| I remember talking to some Korean friends of mine back in Canada who were irritated at that...some of them had been in Canada for three generations and were always annoyed at the "Welcome back...wow, you really need to work on your Korean" kind of attitude as they only thought of themselves as regular Canadians until they visited there. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| I just remember my friend and I snickering at Osaka Immigration seeing the Koreans have to go through the weigugin passport stamping gate along with us. |
Yes, I remember the exact same thing. Seeing Koreans outside Korea is interesting. Some ajummas were asking "Where do we go?" ... but I think several Japanese airport /passport/ custom type officials could speak some Korean. Enough to communicate. But then I saw one korean woman trying to communicate with the airport tourist info. girls after passing through customs. The Japanese could not understand her. I did a little translation, as the Japanese women spoke English well, and I had enough Korean to help. They all looked at me like, wow... felt a bit like a movie or something 
P.S. The Japanese woman there at the Osaka airport side there is only ONE  bank in Osaka that accepts Korean won! Warning. Change money before you get on the plane. ALWAYS. (no matter where you are or where you are going.... US dollar maybe OK...) |
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Zed
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| P.S. The Japanese woman there at the Osaka airport side there is only ONE bank in Osaka that accepts Korean won! Warning. Change money before you get on the plane. ALWAYS. (no matter where you are or where you are going.... US dollar maybe OK...) |
She's probably wrong though. I bet you could change it right there at the airport too. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| She's probably wrong though. I bet you could change it right there at the airport too. |
Nope. Trying to change Korean won is difficult in a lot of places and high-nigh impossible in Japan. |
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gomurr
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Whenevermy students call me a waeguk, do something to annoy me or do something incredible stupid that makes me laugh, I call them a Jungguk saram ( Chinese person) or an Il-Bon-Yon (japanese Girl). I have explained to some of my older and smarter kids that back home we think they are all Chinese anyway. |
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gomurr
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Whenevermy students call me a waeguk, do something to annoy me or do something incredible stupid that makes me laugh, I call them a Jungguk saram ( Chinese person) or an Il-Bon-Yon (japanese Girl). I have explained to some of my older and smarter kids that back home we think they are all Chinese anyway. |
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maxxx_power
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| the_beaver wrote: |
| Zed wrote: |
| She's probably wrong though. I bet you could change it right there at the airport too. |
Nope. Trying to change Korean won is difficult in a lot of places and high-nigh impossible in Japan. |
When I went to Osaka eight months ago the people I met on the plane changed money right there at the airport exchange place. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| maxxx_power wrote: |
| When I went to Osaka eight months ago the people I met on the plane changed money right there at the airport exchange place. |
Perhaps times have changed (actually, obviously), because when I first went to Fukouka I had to walk from the airport to Hakata (a pretty good haul) to get money. In Osaka my friend had to lend money to another guy to get to the embassy, but both of my stories are older than 8 months ago. |
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Zed
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:20 am Post subject: |
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I also had no problem changing money at the airport in Bangkok.
I suspect the Osaka airport woman only "knew" of one place to change it. That "might" be the only place outside the airport. While I expect they are rare there is probably more than one place. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| Zed wrote: |
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| P.S. The Japanese woman there at the Osaka airport side there is only ONE bank in Osaka that accepts Korean won! Warning. Change money before you get on the plane. ALWAYS. (no matter where you are or where you are going.... US dollar maybe OK...) |
She's probably wrong though. I bet you could change it right there at the airport too. |
I remember being in Japan. Before leaving Korea, I was repeatedly told be airport staff, and port staff(on the occasion I went by ship) that we should be sure to change our Korean won before departing. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| I call them... an Il-Bon-Yon (japanese Girl). |
Congratulations, you've been calling children "Japanese b*tch". Hope you're proud of yourself.
And you're calling other people stupid?[/b] |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| gomurr wrote: |
| I call them... an Il-Bon-Yon (japanese Girl). |
Congratulations, you've been calling children "Japanese b*tch". Hope you're proud of yourself. You're swearing at children and encouraging racism against the Japanese. Good job!
And you're calling other people stupid?[/b] |
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