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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| katydid wrote: |
Kind of a morbid topic, but nonetheless interesting.
I wonder about it now, too: you give up practically everything you know and are comfortable with to come here, if the job doesn't work out, then what happens? Korea can also be a very lonely place at times. But I'd hope people would rather run back home then off themselves in a foreign country. |
Morbid indeed. But I think just about everyone has entertained suicidal thoughts at some point in their life. If you don't learn how to handle Korea properly, it can accentuate the feeling of isolation and "going nowhere".
My advice is to be positive, make the most of your time, build friendships, get active. Life is indeed, what you make of it.
re: offing yourself in a foreign country. If I was serious about the idea, I've promised myself to die in my homeland too, Zimbabwe. The journey home alone would probably be enough to brighten me up. |
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Crois
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: You could be next so watch out.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| I went through a bit of depression. I realised why some young people kill themselves |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| Suicide is surely a lot more complex than whatever job one has. But if one is miserable largely because of the job, I can see it influencing that. But then there have to be other factors. A change of job sounds good in this case. But professional help sounds needed. |
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snufalufagus
Joined: 10 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| Suicide is NEVER all-inclusive to ONE factor |
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posco's trumpet
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: Beneath the Underdog
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Occupation and Suicide
Steven Stack
Objective. Research on occupation and suicide has neglected multivariate models. It is not clear, for example, if persons in alleged "high-risk" occupations have high suicide risk because of occupational stress associated with the occupation or because of the demographic composition of the people in the occupation. The present study explores the relationship between occupation and suicide for 32 occupational groups. Methods. Data are from the national mortality file tapes, which cover 21 states. They refer to 9,499 suicides and 134,386 deaths from all other causes in 1990. Results. Bivariate logistic regression models find a total of 15 occupations with either significantly higher (e.g., dentists, artists, machinists, auto mechanics, and carpenters) or lower (e.g., clerks, elementary school teachers, cooks) risk than the rest of the working-age population. Multivariate models that remove the demographic covariates of occupation find only eight occupations with greater or lower than expected risk of death by suicide. Conclusion. The results underscore the need for demographic controls in the assessment of occupational risk of suicide. They are consistent with a previous study based on data from England. The findings provide the first systematic evidence on the problem for the United States.
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1111/0038-4941.00030/abs/
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Demographics
Although these will be discussed individually, several demographic factors often will occur in the same person. For example, a police officer with major depression and a significant problem with alcohol commits suicide using his service revolver. (Unfortunately, this happens not infrequently.) This self-destructive event involves 5 risk factors�sex, occupation, depression, alcohol, and gun availability.
Sex
The sex of the person who attempts or commits suicide represents one of the most salient and enduring features in self-destructive statistics. Men commit suicide far more frequently than women. In the United States, the difference is quite striking. In 1995, the suicide rate for men was 18.6 occurrences out of 100,000 population, and for women it was 4.1 occurrences out of 100,000 population. However, women make far more attempts than men.
Although the facts allow many interpretations, such as method (men use guns and women use pills) and ability to handle feelings, the fact remains that difference in frequency related to sex is a powerful and relatively consistent finding across a wide range of other demographic categories, such age, socioeconomic factors, and region.
Age
In general, the suicide rate increases with age, with a major significant spike in adolescents and young adults.
Indeed, in recent decades, a dramatically higher number of adolescent suicides has occurred.
Furthermore, with increasing age, a critical relationship emerges between suicide and being old. Geriatric suicide is extremely prevalent. People older than 65 years have the highest rate of suicide. That age group also maintains an alarming connection with murder-suicides.
A number of other factors are closely linked to suicide. These include losses, such as a job, a loved one, a pet, and divorce. People who are married are less suicidal than those who are single, divorced, or widowed. Isolated individuals are at greater risk than those involved with others and their community.
Ethnicity
In the United States, the majority of suicides occurs within the white population.
In men, the rate for white men in 1995 was 19.7 cases per 100,000 population, for black men it was 12.4 cases per 100,000 population, and for Hispanic men it was 12.3 cases per 100,000 population. However, the rate for Native American men was 20.1 cases per 100,000 population for the same year.
Religion
Historically in the United States, Protestants have a higher rate of suicide than either Catholic or Jewish people.
Some religions may encourage suicide in situations of disgrace or for patriotic reasons.
Geography
In the United States, certain states have higher suicide rates than others. For example, in 1999, the suicide rate by state ranged from 6.6 cases per 100,000 population to 24.8 cases per 100,000 population in Nevada.
Examining the nation regionally, the Western states have the highest suicide rates, with the exception of Vermont.
Globally, a remarkable range in rates exists. The highest rates for men are in Hungary and Finland. The United States is in the middle, and the lowest rates are in Greece, followed by Mexico and the Netherlands.
Season
Most suicides occur in the spring. The month of May has been noted for its high rate of suicide.
The speculation is that during the winter and early spring when people are depressed, they often are surrounded by others who are feeling downhearted because of the weather. However, with the arrival of the spring season and the month of May, people who are depressed because of the weather are cheered and people who are depressed for other reasons remain depressed. As others cheer up, those who remain miserable must confront their own unhappiness.
Lack of daylight correlates with depression and suicide.
The regions with long, dark winters have high suicide rates, such as Scandinavia and parts of Alaska, such as Nome.
Certainly, persons with seasonal affective disorders (SAD) experience depression in the absence of sunlight and, hence, have a higher susceptibility to depression then.
Professions and occupations
Police or public safety officers are at risk for suicide. The hours of work, the scenes they witness daily, the availability of guns, and the silence encouraged by the profession (keeping within the �wall-of-blue�), as well as alcohol usage and divorces contribute to this risk.
Physicians, especially those who deal with progressively terminally ill patients, have a high rate of suicide. In the United States, the medical field loses the equivalent of a medical school class each year by suicide.
Dentists have a high suicide rate. Perhaps, elements of obsessive and perfectionist tendencies combined with personal feelings of isolation may contribute to this high number of self-induced deaths.
Social-cultural-economic factors
In certain cultures, suicide is considered more acceptable than in others. For example, Japanese culture often regarded suicide as an honorable solution to certain situations.
Times of economic change, especially economic depressions, have been associated with suicides. The start of the Great Depression in the United States was accompanied by a number of suicides.
Emile Durkheim noted that in times of major societal alternations, when the rules are in flux and people do not know what is expected of them, the self-destructive rate increases. He termed this period of cultural changes anomie.
AUTHOR INFORMATION Stephen Soreff, MD, President, Education Initiatives, Boston University, Worcester, MA, Metropolitan College, Boston, MA
Stephen Soreff, MD, is a member of the following medical societies: American College of Mental Health Administration
http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3004.htm
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| just kill yourself now before you regret it |
Arthur Fonzarelli, I think this post was highly inappropriate.
If you know what that means. |
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Zed
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| jajdude wrote: |
| Suicide is surely a lot more complex than whatever job one has. But if one is miserable largely because of the job, I can see it influencing that. But then there have to be other factors. A change of job sounds good in this case. But professional help sounds needed. |
To whom does this last post refer? Not me I trust. People in general? No tendencies here. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Just being general Zed.
I imagine you are a happy kind of guy. |
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Zed
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:08 am Post subject: |
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Just being general Zed.
I imagine you are a happy kind of guy. |
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royjones
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Location: post count: 512
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| snufalufagus wrote: |
| Suicide is NEVER all-inclusive to ONE factor |
I must ask... so are you an esl teacher, or clain to be a doctor? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:38 am Post subject: |
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Probably the single biggest cause of suicide is lack of love...when you realise nobody will love you because you don't have enough cash or a good enough job, etc.
I want to be loved intrinsically, unconditionally...for me... |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:52 am Post subject: |
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rapier,
Cheer up! Easy to say, I know. I had an OK day and my spirits at least temporarily feel buoyed.
Lots of poor and plain-looking people have love and happiness in their lives. I imagine it is because they have good hearts. If you have kindness in your heart, what is there to worry about?
That's the jajdude sermon for today. |
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royjones
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Location: post count: 512
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| man, did you even think it was because u were so damn negative? |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Man, NOT dentists....
Police officers and Psychiatrists/Social Worker types.
A lot of police officers. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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rapier wrote,
"Probably the single biggest cause of suicide is lack of love...when you realise nobody will love you because you don't have enough cash or a good enough job, etc.
I want to be loved intrinsically, unconditionally...for me..."
How Women Choose The Men They Date
If you want to know how women really choose men, don't bother asking a woman. True, when it comes to relationships, women are in charge of the selection process because they control access to sexuality -- they let men "in" -- so you'd think they'd know exactly why and how they choose their partners. But the problem is, women lie. They lie to men; they lie to themselves (and they are perfectly capable of believing their own lies).
Clinical studies, conducted by Robert Trivers et al., show that women value financial prospects about twice as highly as men do, having higher standards regarding financial prospects at all stages of a relationship.
Women place a high value on a good education, the assurance of a promising career, and ambition, all of which indicate potential for making money. So money -- or the assurance of money in the future -- is the single most significant criterion in how women choose men. And she'll leave footprints all over Mr. Sense of Humor as she scrambles to be first in line when an arrogant, philandering, single doctor roars up in his Ferrari.
http://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith_100/118_dating_advice.html
The Lowdown on "Marrying Up" -- Smart Women Getting Married More Often
Conventional wisdom has it that women tend to "marry up"- they marry men who are more successful-a phenomenon known as hypergamy. With increasing numbers of highly educated women flooding the "marriage market" in the 1980s and '90s, Rose expected to see fewer of them finding mates. Instead that tendency evaporated over the two decades. Does this mean that marry-up theory doesn't work? "Not at all," Rose says. "It means that the market is adjusting to accommodate the increased supply of educated women."
http://www.washington.edu/alumni/columns/june04/briefings_research.html |
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