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[captain kirk]

I had a boss that wanted the phone teaching thing. It was in a small city and the hagwon was small (two teachers, myself and the Korean female teacher). That small a hagwon is like a society of English organized by the supporting mothers of the 'school'. It would have been something stupid like five minutes each student twice a month but I said no way, I won't do it and the boss had the Korean teacher do it but not me. That boss would try to push something over on you to see if you'd accept it on your cart until you'd be loaded up like a waiter at Oktoberfest with a tray full of heavy steins trying to keep from breaking your neck on the beer slippery floor.

[Grotto]

[snufalufagus]

It's unbelievable how many assumptions you make -- correct or not

I'd be happy to pass your threat, challenge, etc. e.g. "If you would like to meet me after school I am sure that something could be arranged" along to the proper authorities - the implication of the school yard fight at 3:00 after the last class stereotype

Actually I don't drink, but thanks

And unless you know even a minute part of my life I'd recommend not making any more assumptions on what I am, have been, have done, or am doing currently. However, I've been gainfully employed in two different jobs in the past 9 years (and Korea is number 2) since graduating from my professional education (check previous post history to determine said program)

Anyhow ... enjoy your rant

[Grotto]

yet another assumption

lets see 2 jobs 9 years since graduating makes you early thirties

I still dont see where you get the right to call me a coward?

Coward:Pronunciation: 'kau(-&)rd
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French coart, from coe tail, from Latin cauda
: one who shows disgraceful fear or timidity
- coward adjective

So how is standing up to your director saying 'No' disgracefully fearful or timid? Repeatedly you have used a word out of context with little or no actual knowledge as to its true meaning.


Perhaps you would benefit with some English lessons yourself

[snufalufagus]

Holy cow, how drunk are you ? To STILL not conceptualize what I was referring to in the coward comment !

So once again ... being the coward was meant to be ... in coming to the internet to moan and groan about being mistreated and then NOT having the guts to stand up to your boss and NOT to quit in support of your misgiving's as to your treatment.

I mean, my gosh, how can you still not grasp the concept ?

Do you really want to challenge and compare writing's and their closeness to accuracy to the written English language ? Tkae a close look at what and how you write, beginning with the first letter of your first sentence, or the placement of a question mark in a sentence that's hardly a question.

I'm not getting into any such discussion with you. When you stand up and grow up professionally we can discuss/debate the issue.

My age has previously been noted and again your assumption is incorrect, well your logic anyhow. I graduated medical school at the age of 22 years and 7 months ... I didn't graduate from undegraduate school at that age, so your logic in calculating my age is incorrect.

But ... bravo !

Again, back to the funeral ... despite the audio being HORRIBLY out of synch on AFN ! Making it horribly annoying to watch.

[Grotto]

[snufalufagus]

Shewwwwwww, finally I can laugh, because god know George W Bush's jokes in his Eulogy aren't doing it for me

[sadsac]

Interesting dialogue gentlemen. It's a discussion forum, not an I said, he said. Though in reading the original post, I thought Grotto had stood up for himself by refusing to participate. Manner, intent and inaction, are functional tools in dealing with a situation that only has a short life to run. Hang tough and get your 5.2.

[kprrok]

First off, I must make an off-topic comment: This thread has got to be one of the funniest threads I've read in my time here!

Secondly: I agree with you Grotto, don't do what's not in your contract. Unless they offer to compensate you for your time. In my contract, it says I should contact the students via telephone once a month and ask them a couple (I think 3-4) of questions and bid them good day. It's spelled out in my contract, and I don't mind. Besides, I've only got abut 20 students in that group, so it's cool. This past weekend, my boss (not the director) decided we all needed to come in on Saturday to clean the Hagwon. I said I couldn't do it because of previous plans and that was that. Later, when my plans fell through, I mentioned that I was available but that I would consider it OT since it was not mentioned in my contract that I'd do it. In the end, I didn't get the OT, but I did get a very nice, very expensive lunch out of it with my co-workers and lots of alcohol, so it worked out ok in my book.

Thirdly: Grotto, I feel that you should just stop arguing with snufa-whatever and let it be. He's obviously not clued in to how things go on in the ESL world, so why waste your time with him?

Fourthly: snufa-whatever, calling someone a coward for refusing to do extra work not specified in a contract is pretty low. Maybe that's not how you meant it, but that's how Grotto obviously read it and I read it the same. Now we may both be wrong, but maybe you just weren't as clear as you thought you were.

But that's just my thought.

KPRROK

[snufalufagus]

So yet again another person who does nothing but make assumptions. You have no clue what I have a clue about or not. I am more than simply aware of what the ESL world provides and the way of life/way of work in the profession in Korea. So stop making pathetic assumptions. I am more than knowledgable of what really goes on.

And again you too are incapable of comprehending what I had to say. So ONCE AGAIN (for like the fifth or sixth time) ... someone comes on here to moan and groan to complain about being mistreated and in the end ... oh god almighty, why do I even care to respond yet again. You too are unable to read what I had to say and meant. In the end, if you still are forced to do what you blindly admit is wrong and do it and you aren't fired, then you should stand up for that right by doing something about it, in the end, if it means you quit because you are forced ...

Forget it, the fact is, I don't much care what you think ... the intent of discussion was lost long ago, late last night when it turned into a pathetic personal attack and treats by Grotto. I made myself clear it was the SCENARIO as a point of discussion, not the individual and I'm challenged to fight outside the forum.

Well boohoo to you too, It's Saturday and our baseball game starts in 90 minutes.

Adios

[Grotto]

[wannago]

Can't we just have a group hug?

[paperbag princess]

grotto, i think you should tell you director to "stuff it" as politely as possible.

snuffy: i don't think that you should post pms on the board, the reason being they are supposed to be private. it's childish, mildly humourous, buut childish all the same.

[shawner88]

Sounds like they are pulling the ole 11-month-into-your contract scam where they pile on the work and you quit or they fire you for failing to do what's asked. That way no bonus.

[darkpoet]

Snuf - Stay on topic if you're gonna post... Btw: experience doesn't equal time spent in the ESL World. This is not the World. This is Korea. I'm in my second job here in 6 months and with the first job I learned one thing: don't put up with shit.

Grot - Ignore the troll and he'll run away. Oh and as for your contract, stand up for your rights. Or perhaps just be lazy and do a half-assed job... make ten phone calls in-between classes or early in the morning when the child will obviously not be home.

As for the 11-Month scam, I've heard that the legalities regarding severance have started changing. And now, thanks to shifty hogwans, I do believe you can use the Ministry of Labor to get your severance even if you get fired in the 11th Month of your contract... especially if the Hogwan can't provide evidence and the why etc. etc.