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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:35 am    Post subject: K-co-workers. Reply with quote

Do you trust your Korean co-workers? Do you feel that you have to be slightly circumspect in the things you say to them? If for instance you complain about goings-on in the school, do you have to worry they will turn right around and go to the director?

I like my co-workers for the most part. However, I don't really trust them. And I only share superficial things with them. Sometimes this makes me feel a little guilty because I am a generally very straightforward and direct person.
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Draven



Joined: 03 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: K-co-workers. Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:
Do you trust your Korean co-workers? Do you feel that you have to be slightly circumspect in the things you say to them? If for instance you complain about goings-on in the school, do you have to worry they will turn right around and go to the director?


Yeah, I agree with you that that problem is a common occurence. The first two hogwans I worked at were environments like you described. There was always someone who seemed to leak my every movement or complaint to my boss.

The place I'm at now is the opposite. Nobody gives a damn about my personal life, other than normal pleasantries, and often spend a fair amount of time complaining about the school's administrators. Feels just like home Smile.
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paperbag princess



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: veggie hell

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't talk about personal things with workmates, it makes life easier.
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NearlyKorean



Joined: 15 Mar 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you trust your Korean co-workers? Do you feel that you have to be slightly circumspect in the things you say to them?


In short, no, I don't trust them and yes I do have to almost plan what you say and don't say to them. As a rule of thumb, I don't tell a co-worker, anything that I don't want made known to the rest of the hagwon. However, you can you use that to your advantage, also and tell co-workers what you do want made known. It seems the bigger the institute, the quicker it will spread.

My two cent's worth,
NK
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my work enviroment the adjumas seem to always be giving me stuff... the younger teachers that speak some english are cool but can be shy. Mr copy boy who lives downstairs is my eye candy. I love my co-workers
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The teachers at my school hate my director so much, that I have been freely voicing my unhappiness for several months now without the information going around. Even if it does though, I don't care. With any luck, I'll get fired.
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oneiros



Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M co-worker is generally great, and we get along fine. Do I trust my co-worker? Absolutely not. Back in my early days, something I mentioned in private went straight to the director and caused a big argument.

Now it's an uncomfortable situation, because my co-worker is starting to see the light of how bad the director is treating everyone, and wants someone to discuss problems with. I won't do it, because of the previous incidents.

I will admit that in the past, I used the knowledge of the office spy to get what I wanted from my director, though (ie. getting my diploma back.)
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paperbag princess



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: veggie hell

PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

at my last hogwan the korean coworkers would specifically come to the foreign staff and start conversations with us to incite b.s with the director. i think he told them to do it. they also would lie about us behind our backs to the director to get ahead. i found it pretty interesting b/c if anyone ever acted that way in canada, i'd prolly have it out with them, but they didn't even think they were doing anything wrong. it was so weird.

oh yeah, they were also babies. one time of the korean teachers came out where were smoking and then complained that we blew smoke in her face (which we did not), then she cried to the director about it and we got in trouble. i figure if you come outside, during my breaktime when i'm smoking, you should deal with it, not cry.

ok, so the long and the short of it, do i trust korean colleagues. no way.

at my new school i like my korean colleagues, but i'll never trust them. i can't afford to be screwed over again.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't trust them but then again there was always a tattle tail back in my workplaces in Australia dobbing you in to the boss.

In my opinion same crap different smell, just in a different language.
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oneiros



Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight

PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
I don't trust them but then again there was always a tattle tail back in my workplaces in Australia dobbing you in to the boss.

In my opinion same crap different smell, just in a different language.

Absolutely. I've actually had more problems, overall, with foreign teachers running off to the director. There's always a snitch at every workplace. Never trust your co-workers - unless you have blackmail material on them. Twisted Evil
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matthewwoodford



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't trust them an inch. Spies, every one of them! Wink Generally I don't say anything to co-workers that I don't want everyone in the hagwon to know, and that goes for western co-workers until I've got to know them.
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girlinseoul



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At my school, we have one korean co-worker who just happens to be the head teacher. as head teacher, she should be helping the teachers, but she just ends up acting like the boss and ordering us around. talk about a power trip! the native teachers are pretty much fed up with her, and we're hoping she quits soon enough. can you believe that she cries at the drop of a hat in front of the teachers? how unprofessional can you get?
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edoras



Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

matthewwoodford wrote:
Don't trust them an inch. Spies, every one of them! Wink Generally I don't say anything to co-workers that I don't want everyone in the hagwon to know, and that goes for western co-workers until I've got to know them.


Taking that a step further, what happens when a K co-worker says "I really dislike K-cooworker X". And they expect you too say something bad about X too... There are times when its almost like they just want to get your opinion and dont even believe in what they've just said.

eg once when in a good mood my k-boss started going on about how little foreigners get paid in korea, and yet he knows how they are paid higher than Korean coworkers. I dont know what to say to this kind of thing...
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like I'm the only one here that completely trusts my coworkers (the younger ones anyway). My director spends every waking minute just bending them over the barrel and having her way with them. Meanwhile, I go way out of my way to be nice to them.

For example:

We lost a teacher lately, so the director has the Korean English teacher cleaning nearly the entire hagwon by herself. So every day I chip in and do half the extra cleaning with her. Another teacher is filling in all the classes (she's up to 60 hours a week now)... I offered to teach her extra classes one day a week so she could take a break. She was extremely grateful. And get this, the director said no way. Come on! This poor girl doesn't even speak English and is teaching English classes... and here I am the native speaker, offering to pick up 3 middle school classes a week for no extra pay just to give the girl a break... I've told both of these teachers that if they want to make demands or threaten to quit, I would support them and quit if they did. And they said the feeling is mutual. The teachers that have quit in the past on the spur of the moment, I've aided in finding new jobs... I'll even order pizzas for the teachers (and even the students) when they're at school until 10 or 11pm.

A little kindness from you will go a long way to putting the teachers on your side against the director (sometimes anyway).
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is one way to keep the Korean teachers firmly on your side: flirt with them.
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