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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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| I thought this was going to be a story about an original interpretation of history by Koreans. |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 2:11 am Post subject: |
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I thought someone was going to tell me that Koreans came OVER on the Mayflower.  |
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royjones
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| lol.. me too.. and than i get to read about a whiny american .. who hates koreas.. lol.. wouldnt even give them library cards.. haha.. damn.. someone needs to grow up .. all of korea isnt after him.. lol.. or wait.. maybe they were spying on u.. haha. they know where u live.. haha |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Corporal wrote: |
| I thought someone was going to tell me that Koreans came OVER on the Mayflower. |
Hehe....me too!
That would be one heck of a post!  |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately, Koreans have become reviled abroad because of the loutish behavior of some. Carrying the 1.5 liter bottles of soju to other countries endears them to no one. The 'Ugly Korean' has become an infamous phenomenon in much of Southeast Asia. That has led to some stereotyping; the two or three actual polite Koreans are tarred with the same brush. OK, they've had only fifteen years to get this notion of foreign interaction right, mostly because they locked the doors and pulled up the drawbridge for two hundred years, but there's simply no excuse anymore for the boorish behavior exhibited by too many of these people once they step off the plane. |
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lush72
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: I am Penalty Kick!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| OK, they've had only fifteen years to get this notion of foreign interaction right, mostly because they locked the doors and pulled up the drawbridge for two hundred years, but there's simply no excuse anymore for the boorish behavior exhibited by too many of these people once they step off the plane. |
200 years? Try over 4,000 years. This place makes me laugh on a daily basis- so backward, so plain dumb... good for korea- I hope the ignorance never stops here! 4,000 more years of stupidy!
flame away! |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately, Koreans have become reviled abroad because of the loutish behavior of some.....there's simply no excuse anymore for the boorish behavior exhibited by too many of these people once they step off the plane. |
Yes, no excuse whatsoever for loutish behavior like hair flipping, arm hanging, parading around, and taking pictures. Damn them all! And cancel their library cards while we're at it! |
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Korea Newfie
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Newfoundland and Labrador
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| Yes, no excuse whatsoever for loutish behavior like hair flipping, arm hanging, parading around, and taking pictures. Damn them all! And cancel their library cards while we're at it! |
This is an unfortunate comment. After the OP, you and Indytrucks attacked what he was saying, without really understanding it. He wasn't attacking the Koreans' behaviour on that fateful day on the Mayflower, he was obviously (well, I thought) saying that he had developed negative feelings toward Koreans, based on his time among them. He even expressed remorse for having them, acknowledging America's basis on acceptance.
However, you then said this, and I thought you got it:
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| I see the irony, he's just made his escape from Korea, he's taking a trip to help him take his mind off his four years in Korea, and he gets an unexpected reminder of a painful time. But his anger is obviously more a reflection of the OP's state of mind than anything those tourists did. |
But then back to the flippant comment about the hair flipping and the library cards. If you know his post came from his state of mind, why keep on about the hair flipping? 
I, for one, will also have a hard time seeing Koreans receive the benefit of Canada's system at home, after being told here by an official that my boss can screw me because laws weren't made for foreigners. Many of my friends call me the most open-minded, easy-going person they know, and I feel terrible about my negative attitude after my time here, but it's psychological. My time here has changed me, and perhaps Yangban's going through what I feel too.
I don't think the OP was out of line at all. Just venting. Perhaps his mistake was thinking such thoughts were welcome. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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But then back to the flippant comment about the hair flipping and the library cards. If you know his post came from his state of mind, why keep on about the hair flipping?
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Actually, my flippant comments were not so much meant for the OP, but rather for the people who started posting about the boorish behavior of Koreans as tourists. The OP's experience is NOT a good example of this kind of boorish behavior, just one person working through his own bitterness after a bad experience.
IMHO, Real Reality and coolsage are barking up the wrong tree by linking it to anything else, and helping the OP to justify his newfound prejudices.
As for your situation, KN, it ain't over 'til it's over. With luck and a little arm-twisting, maybe we can get you out of here with a little less reason to be bitter. Let me know if I can help. |
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indytrucks
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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I can only imagine what the response would be if someone had gone into a "venting" session on what jerks he/she thinks [insert Western nationality here] are because he/she developed "negative feelings towards them, based on his/her time among them."
He/She might even express remorse, acknowledging their own country's basis of acceptance.
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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I hate to mix threads, but...
The OP is ridiculed for the examples of 'hair flipping' and 'talking on cell phones', but there seems to be overwhelming support for banning GIs from clubs in Seoul because they get loud and try to pick up girls. Here we go again...
Perhaps we should wonder what goes on that makes people hate this place so much. Is it correct to say 'all Koreans are X'? Nope. But, do large numbers of people leave here hating the place? Yup.
There could be something to it.
I hate this place sometimes, but I don't feel that way about any other country I have been to. Why is that?
Well...I don't love it here. Better go home.
Wonder if I can get a library card in Korea? |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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| Well, I would have been a bit more aggressive and been rude to them. Yes, it is no suprise since Koreans do not have any respect for anything that is not Korean. No surprise at all. I would have brushed them with an elbow or given them the middle finger salute. Also, it is time that the various governments start waking up and limiting everything Korean. If we sell their products in our country, we should be able to sell our products in Korea. They seem to get their way and it's time that we shut them down. I can imagine nothing more horrific than having the Korean mentality abroad...except they are on my turn there and it would be no more mister nice guy.................. |
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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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If the OP had left it at the humor and irony of running into Koreans and Korea soon after his escape, I could have sympathized.
Last year my wife and I were on a tropical island, planning on a 3 week rest from Gwangju. We were just settling down to getting some good sleep in the sun on the beach in front of our chalet when the Chinese Malaysian owners of the resort decided to make us feel more "welcome" by blasting their Jjang Na-Ra CD over the outdoor loudspeakers. *wretch*
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| I would have brushed them with an elbow or given them the middle finger salute. Also, it is time that the various governments start waking up and limiting everything Korean. |
I think concentration camps are in order. [/sarcasm] |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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He wasn't attacking the Koreans' behaviour on that fateful day on the Mayflower, he was obviously (well, I thought) saying that he had developed negative feelings toward Koreans, based on his time among them. He even expressed remorse for having them, acknowledging America's basis on acceptance.
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Where did the OP express remorse for his feelings? He didn't say: "I have negative attitudes toward Koreans, but I realize this contradicts America's spirit of tolerance so I'm gonna try and overcome that". What he said was:
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| Our principles are ones of tolerance, acceptance and peace. But, umm, for the first time in my life, I wished we didn't have Koreans here. Everytime I see a Korean being treated well here, I cringe because I was treated so badly by them. Everytime I see an American buying a Korean product, or see Korean cars, or products in government (!) offices, I feel angry because of the boycotting and lack of American products in Korea. I wish they would go away, they shouldn't be able to treat Americans like *beep* and then come here and sell us their stuff and get jobs and library cards. Makes me very angry!!! |
The OP is saying that he wishes there were no Koreans in the USA, and that he doesn't like to see Koreans treated well. That is what he said, and that is what you are defending if you defend his post. |
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Korea Newfie
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Newfoundland and Labrador
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| Actually, my flippant comments were not so much meant for the OP, but rather for the people who started posting about the boorish behavior of Koreans as tourists. The OP's experience is NOT a good example of this kind of boorish behavior, just one person working through his own bitterness after a bad experience. |
Fair enough. Koreans' behaviour abroad is much-lamented, and I think not the central issue in the OP.
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| As for your situation, KN, it ain't over 'til it's over. With luck and a little arm-twisting, maybe we can get you out of here with a little less reason to be bitter. Let me know if I can help. |
I hope so too. My bitterness is indeed consuming me here, and I'm afraid it will leave me with memories which will cloud my many favourable ones. This is why I feel strongly about the OP, because I can totally relate, and am annoyed by people who can't attacking it. (See below.)
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| The OP is saying that he wishes there were no Koreans in the USA, and that he doesn't like to see Koreans treated well. That is what he said, and that is what you are defending if you defend his post. |
This argument is ridiculous. You show his quote, but extract the worst possible interpretation to aid your bashing of it. (Your assertion that I don't want to see Koreans treated well because I understand his thinking is ludicrous.)
Again, he said:
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| Now, I am not the type of person who goes around saying "Foreigners out!" After all, America is a nation of foreigners. Our principles are ones of tolerance, acceptance and peace. But, umm, for the first time in my life, I wished we didn't have Koreans here. Everytime I see a Korean being treated well here, I cringe because I was treated so badly by them. |
The proof really is in the "umm." Let me break it down for you: "Umm" is used to indicate reluctance or hesitance. Reluctance to say something generally suggests that the person knows it's not right. For example, "I, umm, think dissenting opinions are welcome here." You see?
I'm just approaching this from a different angle than you, which explains our differences. I think his post acknowledges that what he feels is unfortunate, but he can't help it. He's been screwed, got no help, and now feels like the people who screwed him are being treated better in his homeland than he was here, and he resents it. I understand that being treated badly by some people in a certain group can cause negative feelings toward that group.
You, conversely, dismiss it as Korea bashing. Fair enough. |
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