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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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 Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 6:05 am Post subject: Re: oh... |
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| noelinkorea wrote: |
| chamkkan manyo (��� ����)!!! Oh - didn't figure that's what it was - bad spelling there peppermint. This reminds me of how Americans always seem to say (esp. GIs) "adashi" for ajossi. |
Dude, when you dismount your vertically-gifted steed, you will realize that romanization is a very nebulous thing. Even for the Koreans. They change it every couple of years or so.
Peppermint's spelling was quite phonetically accurate, I thought. At least, more accurate that your poor example of "ajossi"
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:41 am Post subject: |
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This has never happened to me in 3 years.
On the other hand cashiers routinely turn to serve me when I have just one or two items and the person in front is going to be a while. This strikes me as a nice thing. And not once has the person in front of me turned round and complained about it.
What's the big deal? |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:51 am Post subject: |
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This has never happened to me in 3 years.
On the other hand cashiers routinely turn to serve me when I have just one or two items and the person in front is going to be a while. This strikes me as a nice thing. And not once has the person in front of me turned round and complained about it.
What's the big deal?
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You're saying "It didn't happen to me, so what's the big deal?" ... that's lovely brother  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
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This has never happened to me in 3 years.
On the other hand cashiers routinely turn to serve me when I have just one or two items and the person in front is going to be a while. This strikes me as a nice thing. And not once has the person in front of me turned round and complained about it.
What's the big deal?
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You're saying "It didn't happen to me, so what's the big deal?" ... that's lovely brother |
Brush up on your reading skills Mr. Kiwiboy. He's saying that if people have one or two items and are one place back, sometimes the cashier will serve them first. The "big deal" comment clearly refers to that. |
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superteacher
Joined: 02 Jun 2004
Location: wherever students need english!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| i think in general, koreans go out of their way to make foreigners feel welcome. if they speak even a little bit of english they will often try and use it just to make things easier for you (although this must often be quite embarassing for them). they are also very patient with some of our poor korean pronunciation or general ability and will try and help us as best they can. i think we get a lot of little extra things just for being different. i dont think that anyone can really say that (the majority) of koreans go out of their way to make things difficult for us. as many people have said, koreans push in front of other koreans, stop taking things so personally. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:37 am Post subject: |
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superteacher,
How long have you been in Korea? In which city do you work? |
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superteacher
Joined: 02 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| about to go for my second year in a week or two. To answer your other question... the tropical paradise ... Seoul! |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Hey, check it out, real reality and I take the same attitude on something! in questioning superteacher.
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| i think in general, koreans go out of their way to make foreigners feel welcome. |
I totally agree, but...
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| they are also very patient with some of our poor korean pronunciation or general ability and will try and help us as best they can. |
That's not at all my experience or of that of another foreigner I've conversed with about the subject of trying to speak Korean with Koreans. An amazing amount of Koreans will laugh in one's face when one tries to speak Korean, or at least smirk and switch to their poor English. Maybe it's because my pronunciation is quite off, or maybe people are more patient up there in Seoul (doubt it). |
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superteacher
Joined: 02 Jun 2004
Location: wherever students need english!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| I agree with you that some koreans will laugh at you if you speak poor korean (although from my experience it has not been an amazing amount). But sometimes we just butcher the language and who could help but laugh. I think we have all laughed when a student has mispronounced duck or just made a very strange sentence. I think (again generally speaking) that if you make an effort people (even if they laugh) will genuinely appreciate it and make more of an effort to help you. Who cares if someone laughs at your poor korean, just smile and realise that it is half the fun of learning, even if it does make you feel a bit stupid.[/quote] |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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superteacher,
Why don't you try teaching in a provincial city? Why not stay in Korea for several years? Each year you can try teaching in various cities. Also, make sure you teach in a hagwon. One year it can be a chain hagwon. One year you can teach in a small local hagwon.
Have you tried Wonderland?
You might enjoying visiting this site.
http://efl-law.com/KETA.html
OR
http://efl-law.com/deceptive_practices.html
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superteacher
Joined: 02 Jun 2004
Location: wherever students need english!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
superteacher,
Why don't you try teaching in a provincial city? Why not stay in Korea for several years? Each year you can try teaching in various cities. Also, make sure you teach in a hagwon. One year it can be a chain hagwon. One year you can teach in a small local hagwon. |
I have taught in a hagwon (arguably the worst going round). i have travelled to most of the major cities, and yes many provincial ones also. i am not saying it never happens and i am not even saying that people who dont like foreigners dont exist. i am just saying that from MY experiences, koreans are very helpful and do not go out of their way to make your life difficult. just accept that there are idiots in every society. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:02 am Post subject: |
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Why don't you guys lay off superteacher? I have bad experiences here, but I try to focus on the good ones. Its the same anywhere you go.
Bemoaning and re-telling, ad nauseum, every bad experience you have here will make you a negative and boring person. I'll bet a lot of you who post negative threads here don't spend nearly as much time focussing on the positive things that happen to you in Korea. |
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superteacher
Joined: 02 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Have you tried Wonderland?
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Just wondering what exactly you meant by this? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:14 am Post subject: Re: yes |
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I was at Sandpresso once, I started to talk and she gave me the 'wait a second' thing. Some goof walked in, yelled his order, and got service. She reacted, and then the 2 ladies started looking at each other and talking to each other. They look at me, saw I was pissed oiff, and I walked out.
They chased me out onto the street, and I yelled for them to learn some manners before I would ever come back.
It irks me. There is a lineup for a reason. |
Maybe I should just walk out. But it seems so inconsiderate, a sort of "eye for an eye" approach I don't usually do.
The theory that those with fewer items get to cue jump sometimes in Korea makes sense, though it leaves two incidents unaccounted for. Add in my laid-back, I-don't-get-angry image, and perhaps the cashiers rush through whomever looks like they are in a hurry. It happens at several stores so boycotting isn't practical. Guys who come in to get smokes are often put ahead, even AFTER my items have begun to be rung in. I'll note the day I end up being waived ahead and served before a Korean. I think I'll start acting like I'm in a hurry sometimes, as a sort of sociological experiment, and see if it's so.
I'm glad to think it's not because I'm a waygook.
My personal experiences in Korea have been so wholeheartedly positive in most respects that I'm often generalized to be an apologist rather than a critic.
I still would like to know what the Korean clerks are thinking. Perhaps I'll ask my adult students for an explanation. If any of you do, let me know some Korean interpretations of the phenomenon. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:36 am Post subject: |
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desultude,
What is this thread about? The wonderful service provided to foreigners, especially the foreigners from Southeast Asia.
FIRST COME, LAST SERVED... for waygook customers in Korea
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