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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:25 am Post subject: |
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I had something similar once. I deleted through the add/remove programs thing. As I recall, it had the generic icon (looks like a computer and is the same one that windows updates have). The name seemed a little funny (different) but I can't recall exactly what it was. |
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jazblanc77

Joined: 22 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:28 am Post subject: |
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I'm sure you probably thought of this already but, are you doing all of this on the 'administrator' account?
Try running windows again in 'safe mode', make sure you select the 'administrator' account, and run hijackthis again with the fix. Once you are finished, run a search and delete and msconfig.exe files that you find. All of the bad files will have the description 'test1 module' associated with them in the 'details' window of windows explorer. It wouldn't be a bad thing to run spybot at this time too and delete any of the registry items associated with those files.
When you reboot, hopefully your problem will disappear.
As for windows messenger, you can get rid of it using Tuneup Utilities 2004.
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Draven
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:50 am Post subject: |
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jazblanc77 wrote: |
I'm sure you probably thought of this already but, are you doing all of this on the 'administrator' account?
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Yup, on the administrator account.
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Try running windows again in 'safe mode', make sure you select the 'administrator' account, and run hijackthis again with the fix. Once you are finished, run a search and delete and msconfig.exe files that you find. All of the bad files will have the description 'test1 module' associated with them in the 'details' window of windows explorer. It wouldn't be a bad thing to run spybot at this time too and delete any of the registry items associated with those files.
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Okay, I'm going in again.
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When you reboot, hopefully your problem will disappear.
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God, I hope so.
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Demophobe

Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Draven, I am not preaching here, but....
You have to get a legit copy of windows if you are going to use Internet explorer. all of the security flaws in woindows are via this program. It is so wrapped up with all of the OS, that when you let it loose on the net, you are opening up your entire system to the net as well.
Reformat, reinstall and use Mozilla with a good firewall and anti-virus.
Or, just fess up and buy Windows. I use a lot of pirated software, but my copy of Windows is legit...300 painful dollars legit, but I have NEVER had the kinds of problems I see from your post, and thousands of others who can't keep their windows closed through updates because it's a pirate copy.
Heck, use Windows 2000...no activation, and there are 4 handy service packs out with no worries if it's copied or legit.
Anyways, you have a major exploit on your system that could have come from any one of 1000 holes that have been patched via updates in the last 2 years.
You honestly shouldn't be surprised you have a problem, nor surprised that you can't mend it.
Personally, I would have just formatted my OS partition and got on with living.
No disrespect intended at all Draven...just speaking frankly because I am a bit tired.
Good luck mate! |
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The Lemon

Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:59 am Post subject: |
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I have one of those copies of xp with the corporate key that was leaked all over the internet and ever since SP1, I haven't been able to get around it. I'd been warned, perhaps wrongly, not to get SP1. Anyways, any advice on this matter would also be appreciated. |
This is to answer your question directly, aside from questions of morality and ethics of pirated software.
I believe there was a thread on the subject of XP Corporate a while back, but without the search function, I can't find it...
If you have one of these XP Pro Corporate versions (with that same serial that everyone with illegal copies got), here are instructions on the net about replacing the serial with one generated by a downloadable serial generator that's easily found on Kazaa. Once you've done this, you're able to upgrade to SP1 and beyond through Windows Update.
Not that you should do all of this, but you can. |
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Thunndarr

Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Updating pirated windows is possible, and, for that matter, is not that difficult. Just do a search on changing serial number or something like that.
Edit: Yeah, do what Lemon says. |
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Draven
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Demophobe wrote: |
Or, just fess up and buy Windows. I use a lot of pirated software, but my copy of Windows is legit...300 painful dollars legit, but I have NEVER had the kinds of problems I see from your post, and thousands of others who can't keep their windows closed through updates because it's a pirate copy.
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Demophobe wrote: |
You honestly shouldn't be surprised you have a problem, nor surprised that you can't mend it.
Personally, I would have just formatted my OS partition and got on with living.
No disrespect intended at all Draven...just speaking frankly because I am a bit tired.
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No offence taken. I'm happy to hear all of this good advice. I've been kicking around the idea of getting a legitimate copy for all the reasons that you and Lemon have mentioned. It looks like this msadmin.exe, which I still can't get rid of, is at least going to prompt me to do that.
One question though. I have a computer guru friend (or so I thought, lately he's been giving me bad advice lately so that why I'm asking) that tells me I only need to buy the 'upgrade' version of xp, and that I needn't worry if I buy it in Korea because I can choose my language during the install. Any truth to his claims? |
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Demophobe

Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, you only need to buy the "Upgrade" version...it costs a bit less and will ask you for a previous copy of Windows to "verify" that you were a legitimate Windows user before, and this really is an "upgrade". Easy to fool. You just stick in a copy (any copy) of a previous version of Windows. You do have an old copy of '95, '98 or 2000? After the installer recognizes it as an old Windows product, you just carry on normally.
The "Upgrade" versiaon does NOT let you choose languages. Windows comes in a given language, and this cannot be chosen or changed.
If you decide to buy it, you will need the English version of it. As far as I remember, it was a bit tough to find. I had my parents send me a copy from Canada, just to be on the safe and easy side.
My rationale for buying Windows was this: It's the heart of everything I do on my system. The OS needs to be safe, stable, secure and especially with MS....updateable.
Honestly, the OS is almost the only thing I DID buy as far as software goes. It just seemed like the easiest thing to do and at $300, it weas an investment. I knew this OS was going to last me a few years, so at about $12 per month (average), it's cheap.
Anyways, I still contend that the easiest way to keep your Windows trouble-free is to not use Internet Explorer. I tell people this all the time, and it's true.
Use Mozilla. It's free, imports all of your IE favorites automatically, is just as fast if not faster and very, very secure when compared to IE. There are very few web pages, although there are some, that don't display correctly using mozilla. I have come across 2 or 3 a year. No big deal.
Http://www.mozilla.org |
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Thunndarr

Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not really sure if this would be the greatest time to upgrade to XP though... I thought that the 64 bit edition was pretty much around the corner. It might make sense to wait for that before doing a legit upgrade if it's not too far off. |
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jazblanc77

Joined: 22 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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IMHO, the difference between 32 bit and 64 bit isn't that big of a deal. For one, there aren't even many 64 bit programmes out there AND anyways, CPU speeds haven't even come close to catching up with 64 bit. 64 bit is extremely powerful and very few people in the world actually need this kind of power. Don't worry about 64 bit, it's just part of the bigger is better mentality of technology consumerism and nothing more.
Buy youre 32 bit OS and be happily on your way.  |
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Thunndarr

Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Well, in my opinion, it's better to wait a couple months (in this case) and buy the latest operating system than shelling out money for a 3 year old operating system that will soon become obselete. It's not about whether you need the power or not, it's just money better spent.
If you absolutely need to update, just pirate the serial number and then do an update. Salve your conscience later buy buying the 64 bit edition if you want.
Edit: Windows 64-bit will be released in 2005, so that's about 6 months wait. And here's a link if you'd like to read about it.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/0,39020645,2134437,00.htm |
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Draven
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Demophobe wrote: |
- Did you kill messenger through the administrative services menu? Don't use msconfg to kill services...the admin functions override this.
www.grc.com has a proggie called "shoot the messenger"..good stuff. |
I had a look at the program you mentioned at www.grc.com and realized I've been misunderstood. And I don't know if it's important, but as I've said, full disclosure is probably best.
The program that my firewall is showing as active even though it's been deleted is windows messenger, not the windows messenger service (which I had long ago disabled in the administrative services menu). Don't know if that makes a difference to anyone out there, but I thought I'd share anyway.
A coworker recommended a Korean spyware killer called AD Spider and so far it's the only program that's picked up the msadmin.exe as a problem. I've had several reboots so far and no problems. We'll just wait until my wife gets online and starts pointin' and clickin' .
Demophobe wrote: |
Use Mozilla. It's free, imports all of your IE favorites automatically, is just as fast if not faster and very, very secure when compared to IE. There are very few web pages, although there are some, that don't display correctly using mozilla. I have come across 2 or 3 a year. No big deal.
Http://www.mozilla.org |
Thanks for the interesting advice, I'm going to have a look...
Btw, thanks Lemon, for the information, it's made for an interesting 'theoretical' exercise. It's fun to update windows . |
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Demophobe

Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:59 am Post subject: |
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jazblanc77 wrote: |
IMHO, the difference between 32 bit and 64 bit isn't that big of a deal. For one, there aren't even many 64 bit programmes out there AND anyways, CPU speeds haven't even come close to catching up with 64 bit. 64 bit is extremely powerful and very few people in the world actually need this kind of power. Don't worry about 64 bit, it's just part of the bigger is better mentality of technology consumerism and nothing more.
Buy youre 32 bit OS and be happily on your way.  |
Of course you are right, but not for long.
Windows 64-bit OS will lead the charge into full-blown 64-bit computing, and when it comes, it will blow the doors off of 32-bit.
AMD are banking on it, and thus, so is Intel. The Prescott has 64-bit built in, it's just a matter of Intel unlocking it when the time is right.
The move is on...between 64-bit computing, DDR2 system RAM and the latest developments in PCI express, I would say that 2005 is going to be a great leap for computers.
All we need now is a successor to the x86 CPUs. RISC kinda tanked
and x86 (CISC) is pretty much a dead heat these days. Who would have thought it would be around for so long?
EPIC was the last great adventure, but x86 kind of swallowed that up, in a sense (a fundamental level its no different to CISC or RISC)...the new x86 architectures are leaning that way now, likewise with Crusoe/Efficeon by Transmeta... |
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