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hellofaniceguy

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: On your computer screen!
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Any SCUBA shop that is certified to teach SCUBA can train you to go from open water diver on up the ladder. PADI shops all offer the same courses; open water, advance open water, rescue, etc.
If you're an open water diver, you can't go on night dives or at deeper depths past your open water rating.
Check out the PADI shop on Jeju. I know their courses are about the lowest in Korea. But you have to ask for the American instructor as the Korean instructor will charge you more. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Bulsajo:
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| I'm interested in this subject, as I'm looking for a cheap getaway for the summer that has diving. |
Flights are expensive.
| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| Check out the PADI shop on Jeju. I know their courses are about the lowest in Korea. But you have to ask for the American instructor as the Korean instructor will charge you more. |
I'll look into that. I hope it's true, as I want an excuse to go to Jeju island again. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
Bulsajo:
| Zyzyfer wrote: |
| I'm interested in this subject, as I'm looking for a cheap getaway for the summer that has diving. |
Flights are expensive.
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Well yes, but you have to look at the big picture, especially on a dive vacation.
Sure it's more expensive to fly out of Korea than to Chejudo, but you'd also want to factor in all the other prices like accommodation, food, dive lessons, gear rental, post-dive drinks etc. AND THEN factor in the quality of the water conditions- how much more expensive would it be to be able to dive on a tropical reef without a cumbersome wetsuit, surrounded by intriguing marine-life?
I think that the cheaper prices of most of the above in Thailand and the Phillipines coupled with reefs and clear, warm water are worth the slightly extra cost, but that's just me. |
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hellofaniceguy

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: On your computer screen!
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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I agree; diving in Thailand, The Philippines, Hawaii, etc. is far more appealing than Jeju! And conditions are better!
But if the person was looking to learn SCUBA for the least amount of money in Korea, it's the PADI shop on Jeju even when factoring in the flight cost, hotel, etc. What's a hotel running... 30.000 Won a night. Food? 60.000 Won for a few days. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
Sure it's more expensive to fly out of Korea than to Chejudo, but you'd also want to factor in all the other prices like accommodation, food, dive lessons, gear rental, post-dive drinks etc. AND THEN factor in the quality of the water conditions- how much more expensive would it be to be able to dive on a tropical reef without a cumbersome wetsuit, surrounded by intriguing marine-life?
I think that the cheaper prices of most of the above in Thailand and the Phillipines coupled with reefs and clear, warm water are worth the slightly extra cost, but that's just me. |
I think the plan that's forming in the Chica's head revolves around us getting high enough to become potential dive instructors, and then taking a holiday on Koh Tao for an extended period and trying to land a short-term job there. To that end, there's a lot going for hopping down to a southern island and getting our kicks in, especially if we can climb up the PADI ladder a bit.
Trust me; I'd prefer to go to the Phillipines, but she's budgeting the trip at 500K, whereas she budgeted Thailand at 1000K. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
| I think the plan that's forming in the Chica's head revolves around us getting high enough to become potential dive instructors, and then taking a holiday on Koh Tao for an extended period and trying to land a short-term job there. |
[sorry, have a sprained wrist so typing with onre hand] I once considered going down that path [even moved to the caribbean with that goal in mind] but after learning more [much more than i ever cared to know]about the dive industry, the cost to reach that level, and finally the potential salary and career opportunities i decided it was far better to get a job where i could afford decent dive vacations than to get into the industry itself. I became intimately acquainted with the industry through room-mates, friends, and ex-girlfriends (on the plus-side, through knowing them i got to dive free anytime i wanted without actually have to do any work except occasional backup divemastering)- i decided i didn't want to be a dive bum [the tropical equivalent of a ski bum] eeking out a meager paycheque to paycheque existence and dealing with cattle-car boat-loads of clueless tourists and shepherding inexperienced divers to the same few beginner 30' reefs day in and day out.
now i'm not saying that you shouldn't go for it, just [much like Korea] do your research, discard some of the romantic notions you might have about working in the industry, and try to better understand the pros and cons of taking this direction. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| I see what you're saying, but I'm thinking extremely short-term (3-6 months). Anyways, I'll keep that in mind. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:02 am Post subject: |
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i'm confused, i'm seeing mixed signals here (and maybe that's just me) -
On one hand you want to get certified as cheaply as possible in advanced openwater; On the other hand you want to spend the time (a lot) and money (a lot) to eventually get certified at an instructor level in the not too distant future (i.e. I don't think it's cheap to go from basic openwater to instructor and i believe there are a fair number of dives you have to have logged, and unless you can dive for free those are going to add up cost-wise, and of course instructors are expected to have their own gear) to do a relatively low-paying job for only half a year or so...
regardless, i wish you all the best in your and your chica's adventure- learning and diving are two of the truly great things in life. |
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melgagnon
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
I have heard word about this discussion and thought it would be a good idea to shed some light on the questions/concerns that you may have. I will try to do this in the shortest way possible. If you are at all interested please contact me, at that point I will be able to provide you with more detail.
1. Yes, the deal is correct. You can become certified in Pusan (althoug at the moment I am looking for a set of wheels, enabling me to hit the road), for 365,000Won. That does include everything that you will need to complete the Theory and Confined Water training. As previously mentioned Open Water Dives are a seperate 150,000Won.
[email protected]
The Open Water Certification that you will receive is through PADI, the Professional Association of Diving Instructors. It is one of the worlds largest training agencies, last year alone, having certified nearly a million divers. The certification that you will receive has no expiration date and is internationally recognized. Wherever you travel to in the world, you will have the opportunity to explore not only the many land attractions, but also venture off to discover the beauty of the underwater world.
* For more information on PADI please feel free to refer to their website: www.padi.com
Now on for some CLARIFICATIONS!!
Concern 1. Group vs. Private learning.
Well, I have been teaching diving full time for 5 years prior to coming to Korea. Since my stay, myself, as well as another group have been conducting Shark Dives at the Busan Aquarium...no diving definately makes for an unpleasant gal!! Anyway, I have taught all forms of Certification, from one on one's to private sessions. Certifying all ages, as well as levels, from basic to a proffessional Divemaster/Assistant Instructor level. I can honestly say that it is up to ones individual needs regarding the method of training.
My courses are not solely limited to independent CD Rom learning. I offer all methods, from in class group training using texts and videos, to a more private one on one. My reasoning behind this is accessibility. Due to the complexities of most schedules, I want these courses to be available to everyone.
If you prefer group training, not a problem. I will set it up.
I am very flexible when it comes to divers needs, and will do everything to provide each individual with the best possible learning environment, a large portion of that includes enjoyment of the program.
* If you would like more information please send me an email, I would be more than happy to discuss every possible option, and create a course that is suitable for you.
CLARIFICATION 2:
Yes, diving in tropical lands is Wonderful!!! However, as a Canadian Instructor, who also enjoys ice diving, I always have to opt. for the underdog diving locations...aiding my students in finding the beauty of there surroundings...mmm, cheesy yes...but hey, as long as I'm diving I'm happy.
Now as for new students, as well as students who are furthering their dive education...I have allowed once again individual decisions to be made.
As you noticed, the Open Water dives are seperate from the rest of the course. This gives you the opportunity to complete you Open Water Dives anywhere around the world, or here in Korea. Many people like to begin their training where they are located before venturing off on vacation. While in Thailand, Philipines, or where ever you may be headed, it is a lot easier to simply get diving, rather than spending most of your limited days off in a classroom. I can think of more appealing ways to keep myself busy.
I hope I have been of some assistance. I do apologize if this has been a little long winded.
Please feel free to email if you have any further questions or concerns regarding what is available, when and where.
[email protected]
I look forward to hearing from you. |
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KOD
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:42 am Post subject: Recommend Thailand for PADI certification |
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| Koh Samui Thailand is THE place for instruction in English and cheap PADI certification. Day trips to Koh Tao (or longer liveaboards) make it more interesting. Search "Samui Diving" in Google for information on schools and bargain the price when you get there...enjoy. |
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cacheSurfer

Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
I agree; diving in Thailand, The Philippines, Hawaii, etc. is far more appealing than Jeju! And conditions are better!
But if the person was looking to learn SCUBA for the least amount of money in Korea, it's the PADI shop on Jeju even when factoring in the flight cost, hotel, etc. What's a hotel running... 30.000 Won a night. Food? 60.000 Won for a few days. |
i'm gunna miss the florida lobster season this year.
sucks.
i do plan on making a dive in Jeju just for the heck of it.
i recently read an article about these ajumas who free dive in Jeju. they go like 20 meters deep to search for seafood and stuff.  |
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hellofaniceguy

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: On your computer screen!
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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i recently read an article about these ajumas who free dive in Jeju. they go like 20 meters deep to search for seafood and stuff. [/quote]
Nope. I have never seen a ajumma diver at 20 meters. Never. Not saying they don't, I just have never seen one. And I dive often! And I see lots of ajumma divers! They usually hang out around 5-10 meters and are usually within 40 meters of shore. They are over rated simply because of the culture. I've watched them work at 10 meters and they stay down for around 20 seconds. Most of the divers are in their 60's and 70's and just don't have the ability that they once had. The younger ones? No one seems to be carrying on the tradition. |
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cacheSurfer

Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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i recently read an article about these ajumas who free dive in Jeju. they go like 20 meters deep to search for seafood and stuff.  |
Nope. I have never seen a ajumma diver at 20 meters. Never. Not saying they don't, I just have never seen one. And I dive often! And I see lots of ajumma divers! They usually hang out around 5-10 meters and are usually within 40 meters of shore. They are over rated simply because of the culture. I've watched them work at 10 meters and they stay down for around 20 seconds. Most of the divers are in their 60's and 70's and just don't have the ability that they once had. The younger ones? No one seems to be carrying on the tradition.[/quote]
i guess 10 meters is still kinda impressive if your in your 70's.
20 seconds down isn't much though.
yeah, the article said that the tradition is dying. |
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wormholes101

Joined: 11 Mar 2003
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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I've been out on Perhentain Island Kecil for the last four months now as DM so can offer info about the diving here.
PADI Open water courses are Ringgit Malaysian 800 on the Perhentain Island, Long Beach...
PADI Advanced course is RM700 for five dives. The Deep dive and Navigation dive are compulsory, from the elective dives, you can choose from multi-level, peak performance buoyancy (PPB), night, wreck, naturalist and a few others... The wrecks here are very cool and lie at 18m and 24m; very good depth for longer dive times, whereas I think Ko Tao's only wreck lies at 50m (out of recreational diving depth).
The diving here is way way way better than Ko Tao. There's significantly more fish life. 4+ species of sharks, large and small rays, big barrcuda, schools of trevally, giant green turtles, at least 5 different species of nudibranchs not including sea slugs, proper sized cobia, massive napoleaon wrasse, huge humphead parrotfish, friendly cleaner shrimps, many different species of clownfish, and loads of common reef fish, very nice variety of corals, hard and soft, better viz 20m-30m recently and generally more, good dive sites. There are much much less divers in the water and the course prices are similar. Fun Dives are cheaper here than Ko Tao at RM65 each for a package of 4 dives.
Long beach is fantastic. It's a long white sand beach with sandy bottom, clear blue water, good snorkling, good nightlife but not too noisy. Most people that come here end up staying twice as long as they had planned
If you want cheap, consider a flight to Bangkok, then train it down to Malaysia..
To Zyz who was talking about going pro... there is no money in diving, you have to do it for love and for fun. The instructor course (OWSI) costs approx US$2000, not money that you'll recoup quickly. You'd be better off being DM (plus you get to do the best dives more often rather then bobbing around at 2m for hours)
For more info feel free to PM me...
BTW, its really weird to log on to daves again. I'm sitting in a PC bang in KL at the moment... it's quite a headtrip. I can almost imagine that I'm back in Korea again... |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| wormholes101 wrote: |
| To Zyz who was talking about going pro... there is no money in diving, you have to do it for love and for fun. The instructor course (OWSI) costs approx US$2000, not money that you'll recoup quickly. You'd be better off being DM (plus you get to do the best dives more often rather then bobbing around at 2m for hours). |
Negative. There' s no money in SCUBA diving. There's plenty of money in commercial diving. |
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