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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Korea Newfie wrote: |
| So I assume Korean, Canadian, British, and all troops are banned? That would be in line with your reasoning, wouldn't it? |
Yep, were they to prove prone to similar behavior as Ilsanman points out from personal experience. I do rather think actually that British troops would be even worse.
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I served in the army for a few years. Maybe some others of you have, too. If you have, you would understand group mentality, and how GI's are. This group (in Korea) are quite consistent with what I experienced in my days of serving.
Like some other poster said, and it is the truth...in small groups they are decent people. When in a large group, and/or laced with alcohol, they are no good.
The US military has seen fit to ban them for Hongdae, among other areas too. This is not some random act to take away their fun. There were legitimate problems, and the US military wants to police itself. When businesses in those areas let soldiers in, they are making it more difficult to do their job.
The biggest incident I have had with soldiers in Korea was in Stompers. I guess at that time, they were letting GI's in, and surprise surprise, there was a fight that night. At least one. I won't go back, even if they are banned now. |
And Stompers lost another customer . . . . |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:42 am Post subject: has |
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Before I ever went to Stompers, it had a bad reputation. My friends said it is the bottom of the barrel bars in Hongdae. Man, were they right.
As many others have said too, I will parrot; I feel sorry for the group (possibly even majority) of US Soldiers who are decent people and fun to be around. The bad group ruins it for all. It happened to me too back in the day. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: has |
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
| I feel sorry for the group (possibly even majority) of US Soldiers who are decent people and fun to be around. |
Me too, very much so. |
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Korea Newfie
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Newfoundland and Labrador
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: has |
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| Butterfly wrote: |
| Ilsanman wrote: |
| I feel sorry for the group (possibly even majority) of US Soldiers who are decent people and fun to be around. |
Me too, very much so. |
Sec...uh, thirded...
Been to Hongdae, Shinchon, Bupyeong, etc., many times, never had a problem. Drank with lots of them, bought eachother drinks. Good guys, mostly. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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To the American soldiers that may read this board,
While some American soldiers may give a bad name to the rest of you, I believe most of you are good people. Individually, and as a group. I have been here for almost ten years. I have spent time living next to bases and in living Itaewon. I have not seen the behavior that is attributed to the servicemen and women stationed here. To listen to some on this board, it happens every night. If that were true, I should see it everytime I go to Itaewon, or Hongdae, or spend time near a base. I do not. And I have not. Not even once.
I have drunk with some of you. I have played darts with some of you. I have been to barbeques and picnics and to the beach with some of you. You have invited me to your bases. You have let me use your swimming pools, and gyms and bowling alleys. In the old days some of you let me visit your base so I could get a Whopper (no Burger Kings in my town back then). Some of you told me fond stories of fishing trips you took to Canada. Many of you told me how beautiful my country was, and how you enjoyed visiting as a tourist and to exercise with the Canadian Forces. None of you have ever, not even once, made me feel unwelcome, for any reason...least (and most petty) of all, my nationality or occupation.
I went to university. I have a degree. I know more about linguistics and grammar than many of you ever will. It seems petty compared to your jobs. Even if I studied for a hundred years, I could not troubleshoot, calibrate or replace a missile control radar on an F16. I cannot field strip an M4 in the dark while under fire, let alone in the light with the manual and a toolbox right in front of me. I cannot build (or blow up) a bridge. I cannot lay communication lines. I do not have trauma management skills. I cannot fly a helicopter. I cannot jump from that helicopter into an ocean with 50 foot swells to rescue a pleasure boater that got swept overboard. I have not led men and women into combat. But you have done all of those things and more. And you have my respect.
Thank you for providing the freedom that has allowed me to work, earn a good living and travel for the past nine years. If you were not here, Korea would not enjoy the luxury that it currently does, nor would many of us teachers (and ex-teachers in my case) be here.
Many of you don't want to be here. Many of you are far from home and from your families. But you are here anyway.
No matter where you can and cannot go in the republic, you are welcome in my home any time.
Thank you,
A grateful Canadian
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funplanet
Joined: 20 Jun 2003
Location: The new Bucheon!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| amen.... |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:34 am Post subject: |
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To the American soldiers that may read this board,
While some American soldiers may give a bad name to the rest of you, I believe most of you are good people. Individually, and as a group. I have been here for almost ten years. I have spent time living next to bases and in living Itaewon. I have not seen the behavior that is attributed to the servicemen and women stationed here. To listen to some on this board, it happens every night. If that were true, I should see it everytime I go to Itaewon, or Hongdae, or spend time near a base. I do not. And I have not. Not even once.
I have drunk with some of you. I have played darts with some of you. I have been to barbeques and picnics and to the beach with some of you. You have invited me to your bases. You have let me use your swimming pools, and gyms and bowling alleys. In the old days some of you let me visit your base so I could get a Whopper (no Burger Kings in my town back then). Some of you told me fond stories of fishing trips you took to Canada. Many of you told me how beautiful my country was, and how you enjoyed visiting as a tourist and to exercise with the Canadian Forces. None of you have ever, not even once, made me feel unwelcome, for any reason...least (and most petty) of all, my nationality or occupation.
I went to university. I have a degree. I know more about linguistics and grammar than many of you ever will. It seems petty compared to your jobs. Even if I studied for a hundred years, I could not troubleshoot, calibrate or replace a missile control radar on an F16. I cannot field strip an M4 in the dark while under fire, let alone in the light with the manual and a toolbox right in front of me. I cannot build (or blow up) a bridge. I cannot lay communication lines. I do not have trauma management skills. I cannot fly a helicopter. I cannot jump from that helicopter into an ocean with 50 foot swells to rescue a pleasure boater that got swept overboard. I have not led men and women into combat. But you have done all of those things and more. And you have my respect.
Thank you for providing the freedom that has allowed me to work, earn a good living and travel for the past nine years. If you were not here, Korea would not enjoy the luxury that it currently does, nor would many of us teachers (and ex-teachers in my case) be here.
Many of you don't want to be here. Many of you are far from home and from your families. But you are here anyway.
No matter where you can and cannot go in the republic, you are welcome in my home any time.
Thank you,
A grateful Canadian
Diver |
Mr. Diver this is an excellent post. However, I feel compelled to warn you that should Mr. Bobster see this post, he will go ballistic. Just so you know.  |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| A lot of people do good and important work, eg doctors, but that doesn't give them the right to be arrogant pr*cks who like to start fights ... |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:06 am Post subject: |
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Urban,
'Mr. Diver' is my dad...I am just diver. 
Kiwiboy,
No one has the right to be an arrogant bastard and go around picking fights. Doctors, GIs or English teachers posting on a public message board.
One more time...They are not all arrogant pricks who like to pick fights. Not even a majority of them. The ones that are were that way before they joined the military and probably will be that way after they leave. If they cause a problem in a club, call the cops and have them tossed.
I mean, people who go into the business of serving alcohol to large groups of people are SURPISED when stuff happens? Don't want GIs in your club? Open a fern bar.
Hmmm...GIs in Hongdae? Don't like GIs? Simple. Don't go to Hongdae. It seems that at least half of the people here are most concerned about GIs being a threat to their getting laid rather than any great concern for a Korean bar owner who is just trying to eke out a living.
Doesn't matter anyway. The USFK will most likely put the area off-limits on their own. Then, I am sure, there will be much rejoicing on this board.
PS: When I invited the American soldiers into my home...I didn't mean all at the same time  |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
To the American soldiers that may read this board,
While some American soldiers may give a bad name to the rest of you, I believe most of you are good people. Individually, and as a group. I have been here for almost ten years. I have spent time living next to bases and in living Itaewon. I have not seen the behavior that is attributed to the servicemen and women stationed here. To listen to some on this board, it happens every night. If that were true, I should see it everytime I go to Itaewon, or Hongdae, or spend time near a base. I do not. And I have not. Not even once.
I have drunk with some of you. I have played darts with some of you. I have been to barbeques and picnics and to the beach with some of you. You have invited me to your bases. You have let me use your swimming pools, and gyms and bowling alleys. In the old days some of you let me visit your base so I could get a Whopper (no Burger Kings in my town back then). Some of you told me fond stories of fishing trips you took to Canada. Many of you told me how beautiful my country was, and how you enjoyed visiting as a tourist and to exercise with the Canadian Forces. None of you have ever, not even once, made me feel unwelcome, for any reason...least (and most petty) of all, my nationality or occupation.
I went to university. I have a degree. I know more about linguistics and grammar than many of you ever will. It seems petty compared to your jobs. Even if I studied for a hundred years, I could not troubleshoot, calibrate or replace a missile control radar on an F16. I cannot field strip an M4 in the dark while under fire, let alone in the light with the manual and a toolbox right in front of me. I cannot build (or blow up) a bridge. I cannot lay communication lines. I do not have trauma management skills. I cannot fly a helicopter. I cannot jump from that helicopter into an ocean with 50 foot swells to rescue a pleasure boater that got swept overboard. I have not led men and women into combat. But you have done all of those things and more. And you have my respect.
Thank you for providing the freedom that has allowed me to work, earn a good living and travel for the past nine years. If you were not here, Korea would not enjoy the luxury that it currently does, nor would many of us teachers (and ex-teachers in my case) be here.
Many of you don't want to be here. Many of you are far from home and from your families. But you are here anyway.
No matter where you can and cannot go in the republic, you are welcome in my home any time.
Thank you,
A grateful Canadian
Diver |
A big second to that. God bless you all. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:27 am Post subject: |
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The textbooks of Korean elementary schools that used to emphasize adversity and dread against their enemy are now inserting photographs of the North Korean women who purchase goods in stores. Even in teaching materials used in a fourth-year class of an elementary school in Seoul, the story that describes Romeo and Juliet as lovers who cannot marry due to the interruption of an evil dragon over a river is mentioned. The river refers to the de-militarized zone, and the evil dragon refers to the United States.
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004061672368 |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm...GIs in Hongdae? Don't like GIs? Simple. Don't go to Hongdae. It seems that at least half of the people here are most concerned about GIs being a threat to their getting laid rather than any great concern for a Korean bar owner who is just trying to eke out a living.
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Hahaha, I think as a whole, GI's do better with white women and teachers do a lot better with Korean women.
I have never felt threatened by Gi's in that way. In a different way, I have felt threatened. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:48 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm...GIs in Hongdae? Don't like GIs? Simple. Don't go to Hongdae. It seems that at least half of the people here are most concerned about GIs being a threat to their getting laid rather than any great concern for a Korean bar owner who is just trying to eke out a living.
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Hahaha, I think as a whole, GI's do better with white women and teachers do a lot better with Korean women.
I have never felt threatened by Gi's in that way. In a different way, I have felt threatened. |
I've noticed that general trend as well. It takes a certain intelligence and broader experience of the culture here to learn how to mix it with K-gals, not something you acquire by being stuck on the base forever, frequenting prostitutes, and consuming vast quantities of alcahol when they let you out occasionally.
From what I've seen, G.I's go in way too hard, too loud, too beered up, and too arrogant when approaching normal Korean women. Puts them off immediately, for the most part. But western chicks lap it up.
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lunachick
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Hahaha, I think as a whole, GI's do better with white women and teachers do a lot better with Korean women. |
are white women and teachers mutually exclusive groups?  |
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panthermodern
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Taxronto
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| ... that doesn't give them the right to be arrogant pr*cks who like to start fights ... |
Where do you get this right then Kiwidiot; seem like that is all you are and do. |
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