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snufalufagus
Joined: 10 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Keep in mind that the Labor Board CAN report you to Immigration, who knows.
But you spoke incorrectly, you said your boss had you working illegally. No, that's not the case. YOU had yourself working illegally. If your boss doesn't get your Visa arranged, you are in the country illegally and thus should have left, quit, gotten another job, or the like. Just to be fair, AND no offense here, but you need to take that responsibility on yourself.
Otherwise, look at how many people do finish their one year and still don't get the supposed bonus at the end. You have valid fears about the position and I'd say it's clear he's doing his best to get rid of you and if you did stay, it'll come up again, and in the end he'll not pay you the bonus.
Who knows. If you can't resolve the situation and/or your fears, you have to step up and do what's right for you ... |
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waterbaby

Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Baking Gord a Cheescake pie
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| snufalufagus wrote: |
| Keep in mind that the Labor Board CAN report you to Immigration, who knows. |
Actually, I believe that the Labor Board has absolutely nothing to do with Immigration. |
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Adamusiak
Joined: 17 Jun 2004
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:25 am Post subject: So, again, lemme get this straight |
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So if he tries to fire me, all I have to say, is hey boss. you need to give me thirty days notice. and therefor....sorry, but I still ahve a job. I haven't been given a writen warning, so I know how that works....if he gives you a writen and it isn't resolved in the month, than he can fire me. As for the appartment. He made me sign some peice of paper, that say " I promise to leave the appartment within 24 hours of being fired.....willl that hold up, or do I just say he made me sign it as he was threatening to lock me out that night.
again this wouldn't ne the first time he has changed the locks. |
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hellofaniceguy

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: On your computer screen!
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Is it so difficult to post the name of the school, owners name and address of the school and the e-mail address of the owner! If we inundate this fool with e-mail...he'll realize that he may have a problem in getting foreign teachers to work for him.
On the other hand...
you should be at school, especially as a teacher, at least an hour or so before your first class. The owner thinks that you are not prepared for class and your lessons suck. I'm not saying that's the case, just a thought. Perhaps you should sit and talk with this person and see where and why he is acting the way he is.
So.... the street goes both ways. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: So, again, lemme get this straight |
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| Adamusiak wrote: |
So if he tries to fire me, all I have to say, is hey boss. you need to give me thirty days notice. and therefor....sorry, but I still ahve a job. I haven't been given a writen warning, so I know how that works....if he gives you a writen and it isn't resolved in the month, than he can fire me. As for the appartment. He made me sign some peice of paper, that say " I promise to leave the appartment within 24 hours of being fired.....willl that hold up, or do I just say he made me sign it as he was threatening to lock me out that night.
again this wouldn't ne the first time he has changed the locks. |
If you can hold out until the six month mark of your contract, he has to give you either 30 days notice, or a month's pay. Not thirty days to resolve the issue, just thirty days to work, and get your own things settled. If you quit, you'd have to give thirty days notice too.
My advice, if you want to stay in Korea, start firing out resumes now so you've got some options, and move your things to either a friend's apartment or a yeogwan.
If you don't want to stay here then just do a runner, because it sounds like this guy is going to break the laws anyway. Whatever you do, post the name of the school and the directors name here too. |
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chronicpride

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| waterbaby wrote: |
| snufalufagus wrote: |
| Keep in mind that the Labor Board CAN report you to Immigration, who knows. |
Actually, I believe that the Labor Board has absolutely nothing to do with Immigration. |
They don't.
| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| Is it so difficult to post the name of the school, owners name and address of the school and the e-mail address of the owner! If we inundate this fool with e-mail...he'll realize that he may have a problem in getting foreign teachers to work for him. |
Let's not do that. We're only hearing one version of a story that has 2 sides. That's how misinformation gets spread. Enough of that going around as it is.
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On the other hand...
you should be at school, especially as a teacher, at least an hour or so before your first class. The owner thinks that you are not prepared for class and your lessons suck. I'm not saying that's the case, just a thought. Perhaps you should sit and talk with this person and see where and why he is acting the way he is.
So.... the street goes both ways. |
I agree.  |
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snufalufagus
Joined: 10 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| chronicpride wrote: |
| waterbaby wrote: |
| snufalufagus wrote: |
| Keep in mind that the Labor Board CAN report you to Immigration, who knows. |
Actually, I believe that the Labor Board has absolutely nothing to do with Immigration. |
They don't. |
You're still missing the point ...
No, they are totally separate institutions, but the fact remains, a Labor Board guy CAN, if he so chooses, pick up the phone and report you to Immigration, just as I can, just as you come onto a board and ADMIT residing and working Illegally in Korea. The point is, you were voluntarily working illegally and that you should be careful who you tell anything to because of the risk of someone doing something about.
Besides, the Labor Board generally gives LITTLE consideration to anyone for issues regarding labor when the worker in question has been comitting violations of LAW |
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Demophobe

Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Ummm....the post kind of begs the question...
Why does he seem to want to fire you so bad? Or at least, why does he have it in for you? No prior events to this ultimatum list?
I realize the question and any subsequent answer are off-topic and really none of my business, but I guess I am just wondering what his grounds are for being so hardcore.
Sorry for being nosey....  |
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waterbaby

Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Baking Gord a Cheescake pie
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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***I am posting the following message on behalf of mankind who is currently unable to post on the board.
I think it's incredibly important for people do realise that the Labour Board does not rat on people to Immigration.
Mankind and his wife work at the Labour Board and so please listen to what he has to say to dispell a myth that might make a foreigner not take action against their boss with the Labour Board for fear of reprisal with immigration... it won't happen!!!***
| mankind wrote: |
| snufulufugus wrote: |
| You're still missing the point ... |
You don't have one.
| snufulufugus wrote: |
| No, they are totally separate institutions, but the fact remains, a Labor Board guy CAN, if he so chooses, pick up the phone and report you to Immigration, just as I can, just as you come onto a board and ADMIT residing and working Illegally in Korea. The point is, you were voluntarily working illegally and that you should be careful who you tell anything to because of the risk of someone doing something about. |
The people at the LB don't like immigration. And certainly aren't going to work harder just to screw a stranger.
The LB's job is to bring labor issues to rest. They don't care about your visa status. And won't even ask. They care about the contract and meeting Korea's legal standards.
| snufulufugus wrote: |
| Besides, the Labor Board generally gives LITTLE consideration to anyone for issues regarding labor when the worker in question has been comitting violations of LAW |
You obviously don't know a single thing about the LB.
People like you who disseminate misinformation are the biggest problem in Korea, not the hogwan owners. The LB is a foreign workers best friend. They do not turn you into immigration, or even talk with them (unless its a matter of helping you get a visa extension so that you pursue money owed). Do you know that even part time workers are owed severence pay in Korea? Did you know that you can pursue it through the LB?
Labor Law and Immigration law are 2 different things. Stop the misinformtion. Are you a hogwan owner snufalufagus?
And how do I know all this? My wife and I both work for the LB. SO please stop posting misinformation. |
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Adamusiak
Joined: 17 Jun 2004
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 10:17 pm Post subject: ouch |
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First off, I am a good teacher, all the kids lover me compared to the other two teachers. I am always prepared for class and always come in at least 40 min early. the reason he is so bitter is b/c the school isn't doing to good, and he needs someone to blame. I have not taken a sick leave and have only been late once b4 this event and that was because I was over worked and he knew it.
The other male Teacher puts in like crazy amounts of free overtime and never complains. and doesn't take the contract to heart. When it says I will get a lunch break, and don't get more than 15 min for lunch when I work a 8-8...I tell him I need a break, and stuff, and he threatens to fire me.....this happens all the time, and its reached the point that he fully flipped out. He doesn't follow the rules, he doesn't pay on time....ie when he feels like it.....he is 10 days late right now. I just want this all to get settled and find when the law stands. And what I can do. |
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the eye

Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:41 am Post subject: |
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First off... you should know that enforcing HIS end of the contract is not an easy task. the rules are simply not in favor of the lowly foreigner here.
i have had an experience with one sleazy director who broke major points in the contract. in the end, the labor board could do nothing but call him up regarding the problem, get his side of the story, and try to mediate a solution.
immigration could do nothing but tell me that any contract disputes were not their business.
your boss obviously knows the game and what he can get away with.
your co-worker is setting the precedent to be taken advantage of.
for your info...
-you CAN be fired under the 6month mark and not receive your bonus and airfare. if you are fired after that mark, you are entitled to those things...but may still have to fight to get them.
-since you were employed 3months without a VISA, your 6month mark will actually be 9months due to the time without the VISA. you cannot prove the actual time employed there.
-if you signed a paper that says you will move out of the apartment after being fired, he can hold you to it.
-if you are working more than 8hours per day, he must give you 1 hour break time.
-unless the contract states otherwise, there is nothing he can do to prevent you from leaving the school for lunch.
if you want to solve this problem and protect your end, this is what i advise (it will take a LOT of patience)
1. speak to your director about the level of satisfaction he has with your performance.
2. tactfully advise him that he has broken the contract, and that you have fulfilled your duties
3. ask him what compromise can be reached.
tell him that you want to work out your differences.
if the problem is not solved, drop in to the labor board and they will mediate a solution.
your best option is to advise the labour board of the treament you are receiving, the late pay, threats. if you do this without discussing it with your director first...be prepared for him to get nasty.
at some point you have to ask yourself if it is worth it to continue working there...or just pack up and leave. make sure he has no idea you are going, though.
for more info....
www.efl-law.com |
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Grotto

Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:07 am Post subject: once again |
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If your boss does fire you remember this
1. You do not have to vacate the apartment right away. It is your residence and you are entitled to notice before you have to leave.
2. Katydid are you sure about the 6 month rule? I looked and I didnt see a reference to having to have been here more than 6 months.
3. Tell the SOB that you will blacklist his ass, his school and his company.
4. Find a new job
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| Hand in your resignation (i.e. 30 day notice). |
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Adamusiak
Joined: 17 Jun 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:14 am Post subject: again????? |
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Again, the prob is if I hand in my resignation I loose the airfare, and that is huge considering it was all paid upfront for me, and got 1 000 000 for commin here...thats why I'm holing out. Secondly, How do you black list a school, just spread the word on how he is a terrible employee, does that actually help? or is it just a thing, that people kinda look at.
Lastly, I do have paper work stating my start date, and all of my payslips with the dates on them, ie showing me that they were mostly late. The other day he asked to see my contract...I thought to rip it up, so I made a copy, and gave him that for my own protection.
So, if I wrote on some peice of paper that he made me sign, that I will leave the APt, does that hold....or is that like agreeing to slave wages........ie still illegal, ie he can't hold me to it.
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Demophobe

Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:29 am Post subject: |
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Cut your losses. Give up the million and move along.
Surely you value yourself more than money.  |
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