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[VanIslander]

[Real Reality]

Have you considered the laws and regulations related to foreigners teaching at universities and colleges? Look at the regulations for issuing visas for teaching in a university.
Visa Issuance http://www.moj.go.kr/immi/08_english/02_business/e_1.html
E-1 Visa (Professors)
This category applies to foreigners who, as qualified individuals specified by the Educational Law, wish to instruct special fields of study or engage in the guidance of research at junior colleges or higher educational institutions, or the institutions corresponding to such levels.
In the case of a national or a public university, a foreigner is not permitted to be a full-time professor.

In the field of humane and social science or other replaceable fields by Korean, it is restricted from being issued this visa.
Complete List of Visas
http://www.moj.go.kr/english/function/function06_03.php

[VanIslander]

[phaedrus]

[VanIslander]

True phaedrus, but does the barrier to employment have to be contingent rather than absolute to be justifiable?

It's beside my point.

[Homer]

RR,

You may teach at a college but would you qualify to be a professor?

Publications?
PHD in relevant field?
Number of years at the same department where you have contributed significantly to the advancement of your discipline.
supervised undergrads as their research director for their M.A.s or PHDs?

If not, then the pay scale you mentionned does not apply to you in any way shape or form.

Also, is that pay scale for a college-uni position in the US?

If so it has even less to do with you as the economics of both countries are not even comparable.

Finally, most foreign teachers here are temporary workers (1-2 years) hence how does a salary scale apply?

Also, why should someone be put on a automatic raise system on the sole merit of sitting at the same place long enough?


As for qualifications of Koreans vs Foreigners to teach English phaedrus and Van made good points there.

[Real Reality]

Homer wrote,
"Publications?"
-- A professor of engineering said it was common for there to be up to ten co-authors on a paper, most of whom have had nothing to do with it. Last year, Professor Han at "E" University who had failed to be promoted managed to do so after his name was appended to his student's paper.
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200204/200204251020.html
-- Korean Scientist Accused of Plagiarism
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/tech/200401/kt2004010417455311790.htm
-- Plagiarism Findings Giving Korean Scientists a Black Eye
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200401/200401040017.html

Homer wrote,
"Also, why should someone be put on a automatic raise system on the sole merit of sitting at the same place long enough?"
Does this happen to Koreans?

Homer wrote,
"Number of years at the same department where you have contributed significantly to the advancement of your discipline."
Did these professors contribute significantly?
-- Appointment of Professors at National Universities Marred by Sweetheart Deals
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=040000&biid=2003071626978
-- Yonsei Professors Misappropriated Research Funds for Personal Use
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200402/kt2004020918511511990.htm
-- Professor Fined for Bribery
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200405/kt2004050720524911950.htm
-- A Professor Beat Students Who Didn't Speak English
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=040000&biid=2002091152368

The college does not require a Ph.D. for promotions.



BONUS:
Money Key to Teaching Posts
An Internet poll of 1,072 people who have applied for teaching posts at Korean universities shows that 79 percent of respondents found the process unfair. Nearly one in five said colleges refused to offer them a position if they did not make a donation to the school foundation or development fund. Private universities were reportedly more likely to demand money than public colleges.... More than 100 of the respondents said school officials demanded outright bribes from them.... Almost two-thirds said the recruitment process centered on regional or school connections.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200207/09/200207090054252629900090409041.html

[ryleeys]

I didn't really look at this post as being one of trying to compare anything or start debates about salary. Heck, I just thought he was asking for some information out of curiousity.

[Real Reality]

ryleeys wrote,
"I didn't really look at this post as being one of trying to compare anything or start debates about salary. Heck, I just thought he was asking for some information out of curiousity."

I have not been able to find current salary scales for teachers, instructors, and professors in Korea. Why aren't the salary scales available online? Where is information on salaries and bonuses from the government and colleges?

South Korea Tops Internet Usage
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200402/kt2004021115051612070.htm

South Korea ranked second after Switzerland in household telecommunication spending and topped the global ranking in Internet penetration, according to the International Telecommunication Union (ITU).
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/tech/200309/kt2003091517274711790.htm

30% of Banking Business Done Via Internet
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/biz/200401/kt2004012717112511870.htm

[Real Reality]

What?

With the wonderful and awesome Internet service in Korea, no one can find a current salary scale and benefits description for any Korean university? Why? Aren't salaries and benefits important in Korea? Why aren't they online (in Korean and English)?

[Homer]

[Real Reality]

Homer wrote,
"Perhaps because that's not how they operate here?
Just a shot in the dark here RR..."

Please tell Transparency International.

Transparency International's "Corruption Perceptions Index 2003" lists Korea 10 places lower than what it was last year, meaning the country ranked 50th. It means that in this new government in which civil servants are given lectures about reform and ministers in tune with the government's politics throw their work aside and run around the country, the corruption has gotten that much worse. This new variety of insiders haven't been left out of a single scandal, be it relating to Hyundai, SK, Nara Merchant, Goodmorning City, or Sun And Moon. So it's a natural outcome.

Corruption and other irregularities are of course nothing new, and it's not exclusively the fault of the president and members of the National Assembly. The reality is that everything from the central government to regional ones, and the private sector, such as between corporate purchasing and subcontractors, are involved. And the food chain of corruption goes on and on.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200310/200310080034.html

[Homer]

RR,

You should join "Transparency International" or even better "Beeter rights for me inc.".
Then there is always "Let's all do things the same inc."

Or, if all is lost...get Amnesty International involved.

Go brother, preach the good word.

[Demophobe]

RR...I still don't see your point.

Could you state clearly for my dumb self what you think should happen?

"Transparency International"....haha!! What is that? A group from the west who want everyone in all governments to fess up and make the 'system' so nice and friendly for the masses?

Ummmm.....not in my lifetime.

I'll go with "heal the world".

[jaykimf]

Real Reality:
The figures you show are for Suffolk community college, which is a 2 year college. Two year colleges typically do not require PHDs. The link you give also shows that adjunct faculty (which is what you are, not tenured faculty) made $767 per credit hour at the instructor level. So teaching three 3 credit courses per semester for 2 semesters would give a salary of $13806. How much are you making in Korea? Please include your housing allowance.
For more information about college teachers in the U.S. see the U.S. Labor department's Occupational Outlook Handbook: http://stats.bls.gov/oco/ocos066.htm