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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Mr. Diver this is an excellent post. However, I feel compelled to warn you that should Mr. Bobster see this post, he will go ballistic. Just so you know.  |
I shouldhave listened to you...I am knee deep in it with Mr. Bobster over in the current events forum right bow  And I didn't even say the worst thing over there...  |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:59 am Post subject: |
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err...ok. a bit of a fu** up there. I was responding to your general observations on race relations in the UK.
It just seems funny to me that 20 years back all english people were tearing their hair out and beating their chests about the racial injustices of apartheid. Now, the same people are finding out what its like to have their towns overtaken by large concentrations of immigrants.... |
Thanks for clearing that up. I am afraid I disagree with your interpretation of my previous post though. Although I am for the most part against immigration in the UK, I certainly wasn't tackling those issues in my reply to Butterfly. I was just asking him why he thought it is okay to issue a blanket ban to GIs yet when Pakistanis and Inidians in my hometown have a bad history in certain nightclubs he thought a blanket ban shouldn't apply. I was just pointing out his inconsistency on the issue. I think that the non offending people in both scenarios shouldn't be punished by a blanket ban, but Butterfly believes that the Indians and Pakistanis are the only ones who should not suffer a blanket ban. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:16 am Post subject: |
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For Butterfly, there's one thing I've noticed in recent months about his anti-GI tirades, and it's this: this snobbery about formal education. You posit, w/a fair amount of truth, that enlisted personnel of the US Armed Forces are less likely than "enlightened" ESL types to have a university degree. Point conceded. Where we sharply diverge is in the assumption that one who's attained a degree is somehow less likely to engage in "barbarian" behavior( a nebulous concept, but let's ignore that for the moment). I can assure you, that after 7 yrs. of teaching in E. Asia, I've seen and heard of a hell of a lot more shenanigans involving teachers than I have of GIs.
A bit off-topic, but here are a few individuals of the last century, with superb educations, that demonstrated their "enlightenment":
Joseph Goebbels
Pol Pot
V.I. Lenin
Fidel Castro
G.B. Shaw, the Webbs, and scores of others who wrote and proclaimed glowing praises of Stalin's USSR. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:58 am Post subject: |
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I can assure you, that after 7 yrs. of teaching in E. Asia, I've seen and heard of a hell of a lot more shenanigans involving teachers than I have of GIs.
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What about specifically violent shenanigans? Are you saying an ESL teacher is more likely to get into a fight than a GI? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:21 am Post subject: |
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I can assure you, that after 7 yrs. of teaching in E. Asia, I've seen and heard of a hell of a lot more shenanigans involving teachers than I have of GIs.
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What about specifically violent shenanigans? Are you saying an ESL teacher is more likely to get into a fight than a GI? |
Avoid fights with GI's they hang around in packs. Avoid them with koreans, they'll sue your pants off. Other eslers aren't going to get you deported, and they're more often on their own.
having said that, i did take the p*ss out of some loudmouth GI one time, who couldn't hit me because his superior was present.
Mind you I'm a strictly self-defence person. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
Well fought Butterfly. If you make it to Jeju, PM me and I'll buy you a beer.
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Thanks man, watch out though, I might take you up on that^^ |
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
err...ok. a bit of a fu** up there. I was responding to your general observations on race relations in the UK.
It just seems funny to me that 20 years back all english people were tearing their hair out and beating their chests about the racial injustices of apartheid. Now, the same people are finding out what its like to have their towns overtaken by large concentrations of immigrants.... |
Immigration to the UK began around 50 years ago and the majority of people are just fine with it, thanks for asking. When there are fights between white people or gangs in nightclubs it doesn't get turned into a race issue. |
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HardyandTiny
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:59 am Post subject: |
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GI, American, Canadian, black, whatever....If you're in a foreign country and people ban you from a bar you just say the hell with it and move on.
Find an area in Seoul with a few bars that are just dying for customers and you turn that into the new party zone. You make the new scene! You bring friends and music and you start a new trend.
Why would young people want to go to Hongdae or Shinchon or any other place that's already popular? That's where everyone goes! It's finished!
If a place bans people then the area is done. There's nothing there worth doing. Look for dumpy bars on their way out of business in a place like Veggie Hill in Itaewon-2-Dong.
Hongdae? Apkoojng-dong? Itaewon? That's laughable. |
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livinginkunsan
Joined: 02 Dec 2006
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| Damn them and their beef hating :S |
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