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why don't koreans consider ham to be meat?
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paperbag princess



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: veggie hell

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:36 pm    Post subject: why don't koreans consider ham to be meat? Reply with quote

are there any other veggies out there who've ever had this problem? does anyone know why ham isn't considered to be meat? i can understand when people don't think seafood is meat, but ham?
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Less than a week ago I heard th phrase "Yes, it's vegetarian, there's only ham on it." I thik it's because there isn't an exact translation for meat- just different words for ham and beef and chicken. .

As for why they'd think a vegetarian would eat ham- there are some things in life you simply shouldn't question.
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meat is gogi in Korean. What it means is open to interpretation. Just like in English. Beef is so-gogi, pork is dwegi-gogi, dog is kae-gogi and human is saram-gogi. Ham is, er, ham. Maybe they think it comes from a tube.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's an english comedy show called "The Royle Family" about a working class family in Manchester- the son gets a girlfriend who comes round for tea but she's vegetarian. The grandma says

"What about a bit of ham, could she have that? It's only wafer thin?"
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uberscheisse



Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i got here i told people "i don't eat meat" straight up.

we'd order food. i'd say "bulgogi? what's that" and they'd say "oh, maybe some beef stew, you try, maybe you like it" (it's the 'maybes' that getcha down. i like things to be definite).

it seems to me that people here think anything outside the traditional korean diet is folly and will do the utmost to make you see the error of your ways, to the point of trying to sneak meat into your dinner.

it can be aggravating.
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paperbag princess



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: veggie hell

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's really annoying. people don't get it. i've had people try to put random meat and fish prodructs in my mouth, as if i have no idea what i like to eat...
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because they think Spam is ham and Spam isn't really meat anymore.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
Because they think Spam is ham and Spam isn't really meat anymore.


haha, beat me to it...I can't think of another reason
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uberscheisse



Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

right across the street from my school is the "original spam" restaurant.

no really - it's the real thing - SPAM. your search is OVER, and you only had to come to seoul for closure...
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waggo



Joined: 18 May 2003
Location: pusan baby!

PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paperbag princess wrote:
it's really annoying. people don't get it. i've had people try to put random meat and fish prodructs in my mouth, as if i have no idea what i like to eat...


It's not really annoying...you dont get it....there are no vegetarians here...so why should they try and get your 'odd' eating habits.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Why don't Koreans consider ham to be meat?"

Not a Jewish question.

I asked my students if ham is meat and they said yes. I think they understand 'meat' as animal parts we eat because when I had first introduced the concept to them a few months ago, a few students joked about their classmates as meat, pretending to take a bite out of them!

This reminds me of the very old Chinese lady in a city near Vancouver. She had asked my father and I to help her lift a box into her truck because, as she'd said about her eighty-odd-year-old husband, jokingly: "He has no meat." Surprised

As for whether seafood is meat, my students say no. But then again, back home people often distinguish between meat and seafood. "I don't eat meat but I eat fish."

I think the other posters are on the mark when they say it's some form of cultural suasion to get you to eat like them, to adopt their dietary habits and values, instead of insisting on your own.

Anyone who wants to be a vegetarian in Korea needs to read up on the Korean names of dishes and their ingredients. There's a lot of no-meat dishes in Korea, and you can use the search function here at Dave's for suggestions of some.

Good luck with that.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I don't est meat, but I eat ham. Sad
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coolsage



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea: the land where culinary imagination comes to die.
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little mixed girl



Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~

PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
Because they think Spam is ham and Spam isn't really meat anymore.

spam & hot dogs.... Confused
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't even know what "ham" is. They think "spam" is "ham", and "spam" is defintiely not meat, "spam" is not even "food".
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