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Which job would you choose?
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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: ����

PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marista99 wrote:
I should clarify that the school in Incheon is owned AND managed by an American and his Korean wife. Don't know if that makes a difference.


This is almost funny. Koreans don't have monopolies on greed and corruption. Take a bad boss from the U.S., put that person in a situation where there is lax law enforcement and most of the employees don't understand their legal rights, and what would you have? You'd end up with somebody who is no better than the worst hagwon owner that you will ever encounter.

I agree with osangrl about the majority of situations being good. Still, the best way to avoid the bad situations is to be cautious and just a little cynical. Deciding that a place will be good because it's owned by an American is a definite logical fallacy. I'm not saying that it will be bad. I'm just saying that whether or not the place is good or bad depends on completely different factors.

Hey, I'm an American (actually, I prefer the awkward phrase, "citizen of the U.S.A.," because a Canadian friend of mine once pointed out that it is egotistical to say "American" as if ours is the only country in North, South, or Central AMERICA) and I'm patriotic, but I don't think we're better than anybody else.
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marista99



Joined: 05 Jun 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't necessarily think it would be that much better, nor do I think Americans are perfect--no person or nationality is perfect. However communication-wise I think with an American boss my chances of being understood and having me understand him would be a lot better. So I was providing that as a possible up- (or down-)side to the job. I really didn't mean to imply that Americans were better than anyone else.
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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marista99 wrote:
I don't necessarily think it would be that much better, nor do I think Americans are perfect--no person or nationality is perfect. However communication-wise I think with an American boss my chances of being understood and having me understand him would be a lot better. So I was providing that as a possible up- (or down-)side to the job. I really didn't mean to imply that Americans were better than anyone else.


Sorry for misunderstanding you. The owner's nationality is a neutral factor communication-wise also. See an earlier response of mine.
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osangrl



Joined: 04 Nov 2003
Location: osan

PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take number 2. I agree with the other person, for a first timer, work at a big school. Yes, lots of meetings, and being surrounded by negative foreigners is sucky, but big schools are more established, and organized. Usually. My first contract was at a big school. It was ok. Now being experienced i like a little school, cause i can slack off more. A bigger school with make you a teacher, and the others can you out too.

Plus Incheon is an armpit, and Happy Suwon is not a bad place to be.
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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

osangrl wrote:
Plus Incheon is an armpit, and Happy Suwon is not a bad place to be.


There's a traditional folk village in Suwon. You can think of it like a Renaissance festival in the U.S. People dress up in costume and show you what it was like to live in Korea a hundred years ago. It's fun and relatively cheap for culturally enriching entertainment. It's too bad that they had to demean it a few years ago by building a modern amusement park on its edge.
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justagirl



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Cheonan/Portland

PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think about this as well: at the larger school they are required by law to pay into the Pension scheme. If a school has 6 or more full-time employees, they cannot avoid paying it.

This would mean, not only the 1-year bonus, as promised in the contract, but also an extra big chunk of change at the end.

For the pension, you'd pay .045% and the employer pays .045%

If you make 2.0/month, that would be an extra 1,080,000 at the end of your year. (2,160 paid in, but half was your $ anyway)

If the school doesn't pay into the scheme, all you have to do is insist on medical insurance. The health insurance automatically contacts the pension office, and bam--extra $ for you! Very Happy

Just a thought! Worked out well for me--I didn't know our school was required to pay pension, but after getting my health insurance, I got the extra treat. And so did EVERYONE else in the hakwon, and they knew we had other foreigners. I'm looking forward to the extra 2,430,000 my husband and I will get to take home, in addition to the 4,000,000+ from our 1-year bonuses! Cool

justagirl
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CanadaCommando



Joined: 13 Feb 2004
Location: People's Republic of C.C.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would take job #2 for all reasons mentioned above, and for an additional one...
not all foriegners are sucky. In fact, when you first arrive, its kinda comforting to have a crew of fellow waygooks to tell you how to navigate around, and to build a base of friendship. Just cuz some foriegners are whiny, doesnt mean they all are. Outta the dozen or so at the Hagwon, good chance you can find some prime friends.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Number 2.
There are a lot more foreigners to get insight from(good and bad, positive and negative) so if you are hearing good things, do it.

I love this line
I have done my research
What research did you do?????

You honestly have no idea what you are walking into to, this can be a good and a bad thing.

I'm just saying be careful as the people here(waygook and Korean) are damn crafty and you need to be here.

TECO said it:
Spend your money and come over.
That is the only way you will ever do any effective research.

But like you, i walked in blind(well i had lived in japan before) and got lucky so its just experience talking i guess. Smile
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, come one over with some $$$ in your pocket and have a look around.

This is the only way to avoid getting burned.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you haven't been to Korea (or Asia?) yet and will decide from overseas I would recommend the second job. I think Suwon is a bit better than Inchon to live in (just an opinion on my ltd. experience), and as a newcomer it will be good to have a bunch of foreigners there already, of whom surely a few could be pals. The Inchon deal could feel tougher. That's just my impression. I'm introverted and all, and I think I'd prefer to be thrown into a foreign land with a bigger group and hope all goes well!

Good luck.
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slap it



Joined: 21 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

definitely with the bigger school. if you got good responses from the teachers at the bigger school, trust me.....go with them. smaller school where you interviewed with basically the owner's puppet...hm.....i'd be careful. did you at least talk to the other foreign teacher there?
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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I the only one who wants to know what Marista decided?
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I avoid places that are chokka with other waegooks, they are problematical and i hate the group mentality it harbors. 2,3 other foreigners is my absolute max: nice to socialise with casually and get to know well, if you want. But 15 other foreigners would seem like being back at boarding school or something, i'm almost sick at the thought. No way!!. They can cause more stress than the Korean management.!! especially if they're mostly boozing recent grads, I'd rather teach in siberia first.
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But if you are more conservative about risk, and want to minimize possible problems with pay and stability, I say go with the bigger company.

You're generally got more of a chance of getting fucked over in a small school...

And Incheon is shiite...
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