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F-2 visa and F-2-1: difference?
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waterbaby



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phaedrus wrote:
I heard (I have no idea at all) that the F-2-1 is for men that marry Korean women, and the F-2 for women that marry Korean men.


I married a Korean man and have an F2-1 visa.
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phaedrus



Joined: 13 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what happens to what you hear....

I wonder if immigration actually knows the answer?
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kangnamdragon



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe there is no "F2" just F-2-1
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peppergirl



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phaedrus wrote:
I heard (I have no idea at all) that the F-2-1 is for men that marry Korean women, and the F-2 for women that marry Korean men.


Nope, I also have an F-2-1 on my ARC (don't have my passport on me to check what it says on the stamp).

As for the working 'visa', I think it's more like a working 'permission' that gets attached to your F-2-1 visa, not an extra visa.
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phaedrus



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppergirl wrote:
As for the working 'visa', I think it's more like a working 'permission' that gets attached to your F-2-1 visa, not an extra visa.


The exact wording, at least on my stamp, is "permission to engage in activities not covered by the status of sojourn". Your status of sojourn would be your visa.

If you didn't need permission you could do endless employment, privates, etc. Immigration needs to approve your work, whether your workplace is sponsoring you or not.
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jazblanc77



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people have got it wrong here. F-2 is the basic visa for family members. As it pertains to most on this board, it is for those married to a Korean spouse. You are not actually allowed to work on this visa, however, you can add a working permit to it, hence giving it the F-2-1 designation.

E-2 is an actual visa and it cannot be added to another visa though the work permit has similar restrictions.

The F-2/F-2-1 is one year renewable the first time, valid for two years upon the next renewal, five upon the next, and you become a permanent resident on the subsequent one.

The working permit must be renewed upon resuming employment under a new contractor.
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jaykimf



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It occurred to me that the F-2-1 visa is an F-2 visa that is valid for 1 year. That is just a guess but it seems reasonable. Even though my visa has now been renewed for 3 years, my visa was for one year when my ARC was printed.
As for those who insist that it is illegal to work without an additional E-2 (or E-7etc.), you had better tell that to the Masan Immigration office because they insist otherwise. What I have is "permission for engaging in activities not covered by the status of sojourn". If I did have an additional E-2 visa (without my even knowing it) obviously my work would be covered by the status of sojourn and I wouldn't need this permission. To get the permission to teach English you need the same qualifications as would be required for the E-2, but that doesn't mean that you have to have the visa. It's possible that Immigration has an option of which way they want to do it and certain offices do it one way and other offices do it another. If you insist that you actually have 2 visas, who am I to say you don't. All I can tell you is that I don't. (and that I am working and immigration approved it.)
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phaedrus



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaykimf wrote:
It's possible that Immigration has an option of which way they want to do it and certain offices do it one way and other offices do it another.


Possible? Likely....

Different offices, different people at the same office, and the same people on different days, even the same people at different times of the same day, do things differently.
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jazblanc77



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This site should really have a specific help link for visa realated issues. I know that when I was getting my F-2 last year, getting/finding information was very problematic.

The Korean government websites are inaccurate and unhelpful. They have Q&A forums but they are largely ignored, especially the English ones. To get someone on the phone isn't impossible but highly unlikely and when you do, they are to busy, incompetent, or both to be of any help.
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kangnamdragon



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jazblanc77 wrote:
This site should really have a specific help link for visa realated issues. I know that when I was getting my F-2 last year, getting/finding information was very problematic.

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Have you checked the FAQ section? There is a lot of information there.
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jazblanc77



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trust me, we went through a lot of hoops to get my F-2 visa. The FAQ would say one thing, the official immigration site would say another, and the question forums would say another while the immigration officer at the Ku office would say something completely different (then change his mind once we actually arrived there to process the visa).

Gotta love bureaucracy!!!

Arrow Anyways, I wasn't commenting on sourcing a bunch of forum threads. I meant an actual page on this site with compact, digestible, and reliable information on the issue since the Korean Immigration offices can't seem to get their act together.
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prosodic



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jazblanc77 wrote:
Arrow Anyways, I wasn't commenting on sourcing a bunch of forum threads. I meant an actual page on this site with compact, digestible, and reliable information on the issue since the Korean Immigration offices can't seem to get their act together.


The problem is that there is no such thing as truly reliable information in this area. Immigration officers are allowed a lot of flexibility in how they interpret the law. You said yourself that you had an immigration officer tell you one thing over the phone and something different in person after he thought about it for a while. With a different immigration officer, you might have had a different experience. Personally, I've found that flattering the immigration or consulate officer makes things go a lot more smoothly. They won't tell you this outright, but if they like you, they can waive a lot of requirements. If they don't like you, they can add some extra ones.

I've gotten immigration and consulate officers to bend a few rules for me. For example, there was one time when I brought a diploma from a midwestern school to the consulate in NY to be certified. Initially, she told me that I had to send it to the consulate in Chicago to get it certified because the school is in the Chicago consulate's jurisdiction. I actually knew this was official policy before I went, but figured I'd give it a shot. I sweet-talked her for a few minutes and she ended up doing it.

Instead of complaining about how inconsistent Korean bureaucrats are, maybe you should figure out ways to take advantage of their inconsistency.
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jazblanc77



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked Who was complaining?

Registerig a marriage, processing family registers, and getting visas and work permits are a little more complicated than certifying a degree! Rolling Eyes
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prosodic



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jazblanc77 wrote:
Trust me, we went through a lot of hoops to get my F-2 visa. The FAQ would say one thing, the official immigration site would say another, and the question forums would say another while the immigration officer at the Ku office would say something completely different (then change his mind once we actually arrived there to process the visa).

Gotta love bureaucracy!!!


Sorry. The "Gotta love bureaucracy!!!" part seemed like a complaint. I apologize for misinterpreting it.

My point was just that Korean immigration officers have a lot of leeway. It's in your best interest to do everything you can to help them be in a good mood when you go to immigration. The more complicated a situation, the more leeway they have as to how they want to interpret the rules.
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jazblanc77



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would associate it more with incompetence in the case of the Dept. of Immigration. In my case, they couldn't even figure out which supporting documents they needed. This can be a big problem since, in Korea, there are something like four different types of family registers so not having the right one is a problem. We were also told to bring the id cards and stamps of three notorietors and proof of valuable assets to the amount of 30,000,000. Neither were necessary!
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