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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| I have a hard time believing it is possible to be racist against your own race.Sure it fits to a letter T that everything she might believe to make choices follows a rascist indoctrination, but for some reason it seems to fail at the last step.It is this "something" that I am questioning-whether it is personal autonomy and identity that prevents it.And I believe as you said before, it is something that is more along the lines of self-hate, but without the artifacts of genuine racism.By the way, did you ever meet a white person who was a rascist against "whites"?I also think in a semi-intervening response to the OP, it is quite easy to label something racist when it is catagorical, but when when it fails outside the box it gets much harder.Things are much more complex than black and white. |
Yup.
Another example is the question I asked earlier; If a person's only problem with race is that someone from his race shouldn't marry a person from another race, are they a racist? |
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ThisCharmingMan
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
| ThisCharmingMan wrote: |
| I have a hard time believing it is possible to be racist against your own race.Sure it fits to a letter T that everything she might believe to make choices follows a rascist indoctrination, but for some reason it seems to fail at the last step.It is this "something" that I am questioning-whether it is personal autonomy and identity that prevents it.And I believe as you said before, it is something that is more along the lines of self-hate, but without the artifacts of genuine racism.By the way, did you ever meet a white person who was a rascist against "whites"?I also think in a semi-intervening response to the OP, it is quite easy to label something racist when it is catagorical, but when when it fails outside the box it gets much harder.Things are much more complex than black and white. |
Yup.
Another example is the question I asked earlier; If a person's only problem with race is that someone from his race shouldn't marry a person from another race, are they a racist? |
Absolutely.Ask me something tougher. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| ThisCharmingMan wrote: |
| diver wrote: |
| ThisCharmingMan wrote: |
| I have a hard time believing it is possible to be racist against your own race.Sure it fits to a letter T that everything she might believe to make choices follows a rascist indoctrination, but for some reason it seems to fail at the last step.It is this "something" that I am questioning-whether it is personal autonomy and identity that prevents it.And I believe as you said before, it is something that is more along the lines of self-hate, but without the artifacts of genuine racism.By the way, did you ever meet a white person who was a rascist against "whites"?I also think in a semi-intervening response to the OP, it is quite easy to label something racist when it is catagorical, but when when it fails outside the box it gets much harder.Things are much more complex than black and white. |
Yup.
Another example is the question I asked earlier; If a person's only problem with race is that someone from his race shouldn't marry a person from another race, are they a racist? |
Absolutely.Ask me something tougher. |
heh heh...Okay...Why is the sky blue? |
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jaebea
Joined: 21 Sep 2003
Location: SYD
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| I have a hard time believing it is possible to be racist against your own race. Sure it fits to a letter T that everything she might believe to make choices follows a rascist indoctrination, but for some reason it seems to fail at the last step. It is this "something" that I am questioning - whether it is personal autonomy and identity that prevents it. And I believe as you said before, it is something that is more along the lines of self-hate, but without the artifacts of genuine racism. By the way, did you ever meet a white person who was a rascist against "whites"? I also think in a semi-intervening response to the OP, it is quite easy to label something racist when it is catagorical, but when when it fails outside the box it gets much harder. Things are much more complex than black and white. |
This sort of thing must be approached on a case by case basis. For whatever reason, the woman doesn't want to be with someone of her own race. That's her ball of knots to untangle. Is it racism? Yes, because it's strong prejudice based on race. When you say that it seems to fail at the last step, I can sort of see where you're coming from, but by all intents and purposes she is discriminating based on the ethnic makeup of her potential partners, and that's as good as racism to me.
And although it seems paradoxical to be "racist" to your own race, we can easily see how very strong prejudices can cross racial lines and into higher groupings.
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| Another example is the question I asked earlier; If a person's only problem with race is that someone from his race shouldn't marry a person from another race, are they a racist? |
What justification is there for this? Someone of your own race not good enough? Might get "weird" babies? The lack of a proper reason to justify this outlook seems to mark it as racism. Of course, a "proper" reason varies from person to person, depending on their moral and world view, but I think everyone here agrees that every person is equal, with the same rights and authority as everyone else. Whether or not that is reflected in our current society is another subject althogether.. :)
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Falstaff
Joined: 14 Jan 2004
Location: Ansan
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| I have a hard time believing it is possible to be racist against your own race.Sure it fits to a letter T that everything she might believe to make choices follows a rascist indoctrination, but for some reason it seems to fail at the last step.It is this "something" that I am questioning-whether it is personal autonomy and identity that prevents it.And I believe as you said before, it is something that is more along the lines of self-hate, but without the artifacts of genuine racism.By the way, did you ever meet a white person who was a rascist against "whites"?I also think in a semi-intervening response to the OP, it is quite easy to label something racist when it is catagorical, but when when it fails outside the box it gets much harder.Things are much more complex than black and white. |
There are isolated cases of white people "hating" their own race. In most cases it the result of some serious, piss-poor upbringing. The case I studied in my sociology class involved a young man whose father was an adamant, active Klansman. The young man despised everything his father stood for, and since the father claimed to stand for "the white race", the son grew up to despise "the white race". He listened to hard core rap, dressed in very urban clothes, and only associated with blacks. The big question we tried to address in class was this: were his actions racist, or a severe form of rebellion against his father? I never came to an answer that satisfied me, personally.
And yes, I actually studied this in college, and did not learn of it by watching Jerry Springer.[/b] |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a hard time believing it is possible to be racist against your own race.Sure it fits to a letter T that everything she might believe to make choices follows a rascist indoctrination, but for some reason it seems to fail at the last step.It is this "something" that I am questioning-whether it is personal autonomy and identity that prevents it.And I believe as you said before, it is something that is more along the lines of self-hate, but without the artifacts of genuine racism.By the way, did you ever meet a white person who was a rascist against "whites"?I also think in a semi-intervening response to the OP, it is quite easy to label something racist when it is catagorical, but when when it fails outside the box it gets much harder.Things are much more complex than black and white. |
Actually I wrote she was a racist and had self-hatred on top of that. I think anything is possible. There are incidents where people hate their own race but the examples I can think of usually involve people of mixed backgrounds. Their racism comes off as a denial of one race over the other but isn't that racism none the less? The only difference is that this person has a "back up" race to fall back on.
But you are right, things are more complex than black and white.
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