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[Zed]

So who's going to buy THE copy so the rest of us here can borrow it for photocopying?


BTW, Gord, I didn't read that other thread completely. I made a false assumption that you position remained the same throughout.

[TheUrbanMyth]

[quote="CanadaCommando"]

[VanIslander]

The following is a reply to an objection, not much more.

[Homer]

The poll results do back up Van here, very much so.

[Gord]

[TheUrbanMyth]

Anyway to get back to the original topic. I would like to make a few points (as I was challenged to do so in a hotmail message)

1. For somebody to make up a false degree to get a job (and overseas to boot) they must be desperate. Why else would they resort to fraud, unless they see nothing wrong with it? Why would they commit a criminal act and risk prosecution (not only from the defrauded employer) but also from the university whose name they wrongly put on their degree? Even if they bought their degree from a online degree mill (to avoid prosecution back home), it is still fraud.

2. Since they are desperate they will be willing to take the jobs that those of us with experience and real degrees won't. This will stop employers from bettering conditions. Why should they? As long as people are willing to take these kind of jobs, these kind of jobs will continue to exist. How long are better employers going to offer better jobs when they see their collegeaues filling less attractive jobs ( more hours, split shifts, kindy, less pay)? Who wouldn't want to get more and pay less?

3. Some schools (even bad ones) do check. A possible scenario is that the employer blackmails the employee into working for cheap for him. Once this news gets around other bad schools can be expected to do the same. Then even good schools because the competion is able to undercut them may be forced to do the same. Farfetched? Maybe. Is it possible? Yes.

4. Even if the employer doesn't find out, someone who is desperate will take a lower paying job with worse conditions. This lowers the bar for all of us. Not to mention that if enough people come here with fake degrees, many hakwon owners (even good ones) are going to have a even lower opinion of teachers and therefore a lower opinion

[/i]of what they (the teachers) will expect in terms of pay and living accomodations.

This last happened to me. I was taken to this rathole (peeling wallpaper, stains on the floor, a blocked toilet and no washing machine. When I objected the director goes "well the last teacher didn't mind." Turns out the guy was working on a tourist visa. Fortunately for the next teacher (but primarily for myself) I refused to move in there. I now have a much nicer and larger apartment. Still kind of small to what I am used to in Canada, but at least it is new and clean.

[dogbert]

[Zed]

Urban Myth: very well put.

[tomato]

Ever notice the custom of naming �п�'s after prestigious schools, such as Harvard and Cornell?

Where I used to live in Kumi, there was a piano studio named after Juilliard. When I was a senior in high school, I tried to get into Juilliard School of Music but was turned down--the better-known Juilliard, I mean.
So I considered signing up as a student at the Juilliard in Kumi so that I could truthfully say that I studied music at Juilliard.

However, I can truthfully say that I was a teacher at Yale--because on the last job, I taught at a Montessori school by that name.

[Kwangjuchicken]

[wylde]

i have held off this thread cuz my major has fallen by the wayside, like i hold off many of the education threads..

i kinda think someone coming in on the grouta is a little lame.. they take what we have and they take it in a matter of days not years..

that said, it is just a job, many might need it to support their family.. given that senario, my anger at a fake degree is dramatically reduced

however, they are fraudulant and they should be prepared to face the music.. when it comes..

if they are using a fake to support a family, i care very little..

you guys have dished people for using a fake but you have not touched on any reasons why it could be acceptable..

i know one aussie who bought a degree for 140,000 won, he has a wife and a young kid.. to put him in for fraud would mean taking food out of his babys mouth...

most of us with the correct education go on to teach uni or in a public school (or at least want to), i see no problem with somebody with no formal education wanting to teach at a hakwon...

anybody threatened by this needs to extend their personal sales ability..

[Zed]

Maybe I'll get her knocked up and just buy my MA. I will feel justified. How can I raise a family on what I make now. (And I can save $16,000 Aussie dollars at the same time.)

[wylde]

[Kwangjuchicken]

[TECO]

Chicken - what's ABD?