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"Whites/Caucasians Only" - do you apply?
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"Whites/Caucasians Only" - do you apply?
Yes, I would read and apply for such a job.
59%
 59%  [ 28 ]
No, I don't read/apply for such positions.
27%
 27%  [ 13 ]
Only if the position was really good.
12%
 12%  [ 6 ]
Total Votes : 47

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oneiros



Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryleeys wrote:
Yeah, I probably would. I kind of agree with Zed, even if he was saying it tongue in cheek. It really has become more difficult for the average white male to get into a university in America. Minorities are accepted with lower qualifications to fill quotas... and many that are accepted don't have to pay (or pay as much). Meanwhile, a white male will either not be accepted, or have to pay the full tuition, or have a GPA of 4.3 and an SAT of 1500. (By the way, I'll say that I came close on the GPA and did have the SAT, yet was denied for every scholarship I applied for)


Hey, I warned you not to whine about being discriminated against after the Bill Cosby thread. Laughing

ryleeys wrote:
I think everyone of every race of every economic level needs to listen to the 'Cos on this one and STOP MAKING SO MANY GOD DAMN EXCUSES.
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And instead of sitting home and not going to college because they were gonna make me pay for it, I went out and paid for it and got me there one of them college edumacations...


There's a difference between being annoyed with something, but still doing what you need to do... and being so angry at the world that you revert to an infantile state of helplessness.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I vote no, but not only an moral grounds.

Any employer who comes across as that blatant of an ignorant assmunch before I've even met him is an employer I can expect to screw me six ways to Sunday after I'm legally bound to him by a visa and a contract.
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justagirl



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Cheonan/Portland

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not? Is it wrong if a company states they want a minority, such as a Hispanic or black person? (besides the fact that ALL of us are minorities in Korea) Is it wrong to want a female for some jobs? Personally, I think if someone is running a private business, they have the choice to hire whomever they want. If they want an overweight Hispanic male who has an authentic Mexican accent, more power to them. If they want a skinny blonde with curvy hips and big, blue eyes, that's their perogative.
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oneiros wrote:
ryleeys wrote:
Yeah, I probably would. I kind of agree with Zed, even if he was saying it tongue in cheek. It really has become more difficult for the average white male to get into a university in America. Minorities are accepted with lower qualifications to fill quotas... and many that are accepted don't have to pay (or pay as much). Meanwhile, a white male will either not be accepted, or have to pay the full tuition, or have a GPA of 4.3 and an SAT of 1500. (By the way, I'll say that I came close on the GPA and did have the SAT, yet was denied for every scholarship I applied for)


Hey, I warned you not to whine about being discriminated against after the Bill Cosby thread. Laughing

ryleeys wrote:
I think everyone of every race of every economic level needs to listen to the 'Cos on this one and STOP MAKING SO MANY GOD DAMN EXCUSES.


Good one Oneiros!

I am Black, so I have definitely skipped over them before. If I was white, I don't think I would go for a job like that because the important thing for a teaching job should be the credentials and the experience..not the race (Disclaimer: yeah I know, Korea is SOOOO racist so this does apply to them blah blah blah...spare me, I've heard it already Rolling Eyes ).

Ryleeys, I'm puzzled. I would love to know about these schools that have quotes blah blah blah because I definitely didn't get any special treatment because of my pigment enhancement.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second Son Deureo! in not trusting someone so unabashedly prejudiced to ask for "white" or Caucasian employees just to maximize the appeal to the prejudices of the customers.
justagirl wrote:
Why not? Is it wrong if a company states they want a minority, such as a Hispanic or black person? (besides the fact that ALL of us are minorities in Korea) Is it wrong to want a female for some jobs? Personally, I think if someone is running a private business, they have the choice to hire whomever they want. If they want an overweight Hispanic male who has an authentic Mexican accent, more power to them. If they want a skinny blonde with curvy hips and big, blue eyes, that's their perogative.

A wild guess: If you are from Canada, then you thought the Reform Party was a good thing, the Canadian Alliance a necessary evil and the Conservative Party the country's last hope.

Am I close?
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own_king



Joined: 17 Apr 2004
Location: here

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A job that says "White/Caucasian Only" is no worse than a job that says "Females Only". And there are many of them around.
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ThisCharmingMan



Joined: 11 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

own_king wrote:
A job that says "White/Caucasian Only" is no worse than a job that says "Females Only". And there are many of them around.


Don't you get it?Unless it's a job for a wetnurse, both are discriminatory?
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Sue_in_Daegu



Joined: 29 Jun 2004
Location: Daegu...yeah....

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted no. I believe in free speech, but it doesn't mean I have to endorse it by applying to jobs that further the erroneous notion that the colour of my skin makes me better. I know from many life experiences that my white skin means nothing other than there are certain shades of lipsticks that look better on me than others. I know that Korea's a racist country, I learned that from many nights awake reading all of your postings here on Dave's. Nonetheless, I still believe that change can and will occur only when people of all races stop putting up with this s#&t. I have no qualms about calling people on their stupid archaic notions. It may take generations, but this has got to stop. Rolling Eyes
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I agree that some are right to complain that Koreans are racist, and feel bad for them, I simply don't get it when some white guy bitches about the racism here. As I wrote before, Korean nationalism is rooted in Social Darwinism, which implies that you get preferential treatment if you're lighter skinned than Koreans (although, it has rediscovered the Jonggak nationalistic philosophy (this had some influence on Kim Dae Jung's creation of the "Sunshine Policy")). Think about it, you got pretty good jobs simply because you're white. There are many Korean Americans, Canadians, and Australians who could be very good teachers, yet they don't come because they jobs aren't there for them.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alyallen wrote:


I would love to know about these schools that have quotes blah blah blah because


I know many schools with quotes! "where for art thou Romeo?"

(I know you meant quotas! I am just messing Wink )
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
I simply don't get it when some white guy *beep* about the racism here.


So white people aren't allowed to get angry about job adverts that discriminate against other races? I guess the ANC should have been a black only group. Confused

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Think about it, you got pretty good jobs simply because you're white. There are many Korean Americans, Canadians, and Australians who could be very good teachers, yet they don't come because they jobs aren't there for them


Maybe some white people agree with this, and thus complain about such adverts. Just a thought.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read my first post.

You and I both know that most people who complain about racism in Korea aren't doing it with the best of intentions. It's often just another thing to bitch about Korea.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
I vote no, but not only an moral grounds.

Any employer who comes across as that blatant of an ignorant assmunch before I've even met him is an employer I can expect to screw me six ways to Sunday after I'm legally bound to him by a visa and a contract.


I wouldn't necessarily pass over the job and refuse to look at it, but I do like this reply. Seeing these "XYZs only!" addendums is annoying; a school is free to hire whoever they desire, but if they have to announce it to the world, they're not exactly very clever folk.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
Read my first post.

You and I both know that most people who complain about racism in Korea aren't doing it with the best of intentions. It's often just another thing to *beep* about Korea.


I don't share that view. Racism is worthy of condemnation under any circumstances. Time for a hypothetical situation. I am the senior partner of Schuman's lawyers in London. I instruct my HR manager to place the following advert in the "weekly law" magazine. Amoungst other things it states the following, "the ideal candidate should have 5 years post LPC experience. KOREANS NEED NOT APPLY."

If any Koreans get angry about it I will just say "oh, this is just another attempt to bash the UK."
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