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[Zed]

[Grotto]

Yes Homer is that a total generalization or some more of your wisdom straight from the bottle?

I know many teenagers who dont cheat, dont lie(well not blatently), and have a basic sense of decency and honour. However the vast majority of teenagers over here cheat on a daily basis.

I have one class of middle school students, one girl 5 boys, the girl is smart and does not cheat or let the boys cheat from her paper and she gets alot of flack from them about that. One boy is a little wierd but a good student and also doesnt cheat, 2 are as dumb as dogpoop and dont do anything without cheating, one thinks he is too smart for school yet he still cheats, and one is smart but lets the others cheat off of him in an effort to be 'one of the gang'.

[fidel]

While anecdotal evidence and various studies suggest cheating is widespread, it is my personal opinion that the level of cheating is in part dependent on the mangement of individual schools, and of the socio-economic status of the students.

I taught at a technical high school and cheating was par for course,and in some cases teachers activively participated in the process. For example for the graduation exam for third graders students were given the actual test papers with answers week before the test. During the test answers that were judged to be difficult were written on the boards. The reason given for this outrageous behaviour was that if the students weren't given a generous helping hand they would fail en-mass and not graduate. This was official school policy and not the result of a few rogue teachers. Needless to say they all graduated including the dwarf with a mental capacity of a three year old. I'm not kidding! He got 90% for his final English test when he could only manage a high pitched helooooooo.

However at my current school in affluent Kangnam, cheating is severly punished and students if caught face temporary expulsion, o% grades and parent teacher conferences. I have caught a few students cheating on spelling tests, and even for this minor transgression their parents were called and informed. Their final grades for the semester also reflected this. And believe you me, exams scores are important for my students as many of them are striving to enter the top universities. They haven't cheated since (well I haven't caught them) so something must be working.
I can also leave food, new dictionary sets, games etc in the class and so far nothing has gone amiss.

[Homer]

No Grotto,

Just applying the same evaluation method to western teens that you so generously apply to all korean teens.

Works wonders don't you think?

By the way, did you teach teens before coming over to Korea?

Maybe you did or didn't but I did and they cheat, lie, steal, and think they are the kings of the universe.
Try telling a parent back home that their son or daughter did something wrong in class and invariably, the answer you will get is "not my child" then they will blame the teacher or school.

Teens back home also do a lot of other wonderful things.

Now, this is not all teenagers because saying that would be retarded right?

[Zed]

If you can't see the differnece in the level of cheating between here and back home I suggest you change the colour of the lenses in your glasses.

[wylde]

[Homer]

[Zed]

Let's have yet another ring around the rosy about methods and never get down to discussing the issue.

[Grotto]

Homer I have taught Junior High and High school back in Canada. I only caught 3 students cheating on tests, they were given 0's and suspended(school policy)

Here I witness cheating on a daily basis. Blatant, in your face cheating! With no regard for rules or consequences. After having the Korean teacher tell them that any cheating would be a 0, several students looked over to see what their neighbor had got for an answer.

If you actually think that the level and frequency of cheating here is remotely close to what it is back home you have been here too long or have a selective memory.

Korea the nation without shame....even when caught students dont understand why they should be ashamed and embarrassed by thier actions.

It is a widespread problem and needs to be addressed directly, not deflected by going

'Maybe you did or didn't but I did and they cheat, lie, steal, and think they are the kings of the universe.
Try telling a parent back home that their son or daughter did something wrong in class and invariably, the answer you will get is "not my child" then they will blame the teacher or school. '

Did you teach teenagers back home? For how long? I answered your questions you answer mine.

[Zed]

And that, Homer, is what's called a comparison and isn't the first in this thread.

[Homer]

[matthewwoodford]

[matthewwoodford]

[Zed]

No one claimed it was exclusive. They were discussing it in terms of degrees.

[Homer]

Really Zed?

What degree is there in all?

Or in all vs 0.3%...yes degrees indeed.