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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have seen many korean males physically strike korean females


Corporal wrote:

I haven't, by the way. But I guess since you guys have ALL seen it and I've never, it must be true.

As a married woman who doesn't like to hit the booze hard it makes sense that you wouldn't often be in the places and out at the times that these things happen.
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
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I have seen many korean males physically strike korean females


Corporal wrote:

I haven't, by the way. But I guess since you guys have ALL seen it and I've never, it must be true.

As a married woman who doesn't like to hit the booze hard it makes sense that you wouldn't often be in the places and out at the times that these things happen.


True, but how does that account for the days when I wasn't a married woman, in all kinds of places at all kinds of scandalous hours?

Moreover, the posters who claim to have seen these things have described them more often than not to have happened in broad daylight, with tons of other folks around, not in some seedy back alley behind a pub at 4 am.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 7 years, I have not seen that either (much like Lemon, Corp and others) must be a special kind of epidemic.

Then again, I don't go looking for it either. If you look for something long enough, you will usually end up finding it if it is there or not. Wink

Married too Kiwi but we go out most weekends, many times until late at night and lord in heaven, I didn't see hordes of korean men beating on korean women....strange.

Also, corp makes an excellent point when she said that most posters on here say they saw these things in broad daylight with people around....and since I am also a daywalker...

Well, I am sure it happens, to deny that abuse happens would be dumb.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't usually post on these threads but it is interesting how different people experience different things in the same place.

I've seen it happen on the street (I was in a bus) in Kangnam. Saw the aftermath of a hit (my friend was seething and ready to pound the hitter but the hitter didn't make another move). In Beaver's Wings two guys were in a screaming match with two female customers and the one grabbed an ashtray to throw at the women but I grabbed it out of his hand before he completed the action and shuffled him and his inbred friend out of the bar. Early (very very early) one morning a few years back when I lived in Shinchon I saw a younger guy smack a girl good and proper.

I've seen these things and I don't go looking at all (hell, I avoid looking 'cause I don't like to believe this sort of thing exists).
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Corporal



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, so this is what happened to me today though! Shocked It was late afternoon, and I had an hour break between classes, so I was having a lovely samgyetang supper at the restaurant around the corner from my school. I was the only patron in the place, until about halfway through my meal a man and a woman came in and sat down. The woman was talking very angrily to the man about money. Then, to my shock, right there IN BROAD DAYLIGHT (or fluorescent light to be more exact,) she clocked him! He just kind of shrugged it off and they continued arguing. But poor fellow! I tell you, I was about ready to go over there and give that chick a taste of her own medicine. I was going to say, "We don't treat men like that where I come from, honey." I'm not scared. I could take down any Korean girl in a fight, I don't care HOW much taekwondo training they have. Korean girls are all the same, get them on the floor and they're useless. And don't even get me started on how small their chests are. But I digress. I just sat there wondering if the store owners were going to get involved. I couldn't believe Koreans would put up with this blatant show of abuse and cowardice. Finally I gave the woman the evil eye and muttered under my breath if she ever dared to slap around her poor defenceless husband again, I would be calling up my buddies and we'd be paying her a visit. Man. That kind of stuff really steams me, y'know?

Laughing
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sistersarah



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm another who hasn't yet witnessed a guy hitting a girl here. i hope i never do. it's so funny....because i used to live very close to shinchon...i was out and about at least twice a week, you know, livin it up, lotsa bars, early mornings....never saw it. hey, not saying others haven't seen it.....who knows.

sadly i have experienced abuse such as this firsthand. some may remember me out in hongdae one night being pushed in the street by my boyfriend at the time....oh yeah, he was from canada so there must've been a good reason for it, eh? or maybe he was influenced by all the koreans out beatin their girls. damn korea.
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lush72



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of you have not seen Korean domestic violence, I dont doubt it at all. I hope you never have to witness a woman being attacked in public while everyone around pretends not to notice. Its terrible, in any culture. I have seen it too often here, and while you may not have, that does not lessen or negate my experience, just as mine does not lessen and negate yours.

I never saw a car get stolen at home, yet it happens so frequently that NYC and NJ have the highest auto insurance premiums in America. Again, I never, in over 25 years, saw a car get stolen even once. What conclusion should I draw from this? Cars dont get stolen? The numbers are inflated?
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Apple Scruff



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lush72 wrote:
Commercials also portrey male on female violence as acceptable. Currently there is a TV ad where a male and female are play kickboxing on a rooftop. The male feigns an injury and turns his back to the female. The female comes over looking concerned and, when she is near, the male jerks his head up to smash the back of his skull into her face.


Maybe I'm mistaken, but I always thought that the guy in that commercial was nursing a bloody nose, and as he threw his head back to keep the blood from running out, the girl unfortunately happened to be standing behind him.

Not to say that you're wrong about male-on-female abuse being acceptable in Korea. Ever watch any Korean "porn" on TV? Almost every action scene is initiated when the man forces himself upon a frantic and retaliatory woman. I don't think rape is an integral part of the porn back home. And I firmly believe that the quality of a nation's pornography is a reflection of a nation's character.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And I firmly believe that the quality of a nation's pornography is a reflection of a nation's character.


Thats hilarious! Laughing Laughing

Good one Apple...made me laugh.
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flutieflakes



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

then you should see japanese porn where the theme in almost every movie is rape.............
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cheem



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
Well, I'm sure you couldn't have addressed those comments to me specifically, Cheem.

They weren't, as they weren't addressed to anyone specifically. My point was that the ones that talk the loudest about Korean men (in this case) are usually the ones who know the fewest. Kind of like those who like to point out that Black men steal a lot of cars usually don't have any Black friends.

Being of Korean ethnicity, Koreans tend to speak to me like I'm "one of them". I can conclude that many Koreans think the foreign teachers there are ugly, smell, dress slovenly, and can't make it back home. Is this a valid topic of discussion? According to your logic, if enough people believe it to be true then there must be an element of truth to it, so yes. On the other hand, do those who latch on to these types of threads, fan the flames, and bring down the collective IQ of the board deserve ridicule?

Absolutely.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Being of Korean ethnicity, Koreans tend to speak to me like I'm "one of them". I can conclude that many Koreans think the foreign teachers there are ugly, smell, dress slovenly, and can't make it back home. Is this a valid topic of discussion? According to your logic, if enough people believe it to be true then there most be an element of truth to it, so yes. On the other hand, do those who latch on to these types of threads, fan the flames, and bring down the collective IQ of the board deserve ridicule?

Absolutely.


Excellent response!

Wish there were more like you on here.
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kiwiboy_nz_99



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've posted these stats before, 25% of women in England repost domenstic abuse and 38% of Korean women.

Having said that, I saw more of it in my one year in dirty blue collar Pohang than I have in my two and a half years in swanky swinging Seoul.
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JongnoGuru



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheem wrote:
JongnoGuru wrote:
Well, I'm sure you couldn't have addressed those comments to me specifically, Cheem.

They weren't, as they weren't addressed to anyone specifically. My point was that the ones that talk the loudest about Korean men (in this case) are usually the ones who know the fewest. Kind of like those who like to point out that Black men steal a lot of cars usually don't have any Black friends.

Being of Korean ethnicity, Koreans tend to speak to me like I'm "one of them". I can conclude that many Koreans think the foreign teachers there are ugly, smell, dress slovenly, and can't make it back home. Is this a valid topic of discussion? According to your logic, if enough people believe it to be true then there must be an element of truth to it, so yes. On the other hand, do those who latch on to these types of threads, fan the flames, and bring down the collective IQ of the board deserve ridicule?

Absolutely.


Cheem,

Sorry, but I really need you to clarify this again. In your post quoted above, when you say "your logic" and "those who latch on to these types of threads" (fanning flames, bringing down the collective IQ), please tell me -- are you addressing me this time, whether personally or as a part of a group?

If you're not, then thank you. All is cool, and I won't need to post a reply to defend myself. Honestly, I'm in neither "camp" on this issue, if that's how this whole discussing is turning (apologists/deniers vs. flame-throwing race-baiters). I simply know what I've seen (and over many years here, I must always stress -- not "I saw ten fights last year" sort of nonsense) and nothing more.

But if you are addressing me.... Unfair! Prepare yourself.

The Guru
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nateyb



Joined: 28 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally have not seen it, but a friend did and she stepped up and told that guy off. She is four-foot-nothing...

Racial stuff aside.. If you see it, stop it. I don't really care about it when I am in the middle of trying to stop a fight. (If I found myself into one)

BTW, you go guru! best post I've read this year!
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