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marista99



Joined: 05 Jun 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My feeling on this is that when people post about job openings who never contribute to this forum for any other reason (i.e. the OP who has only had 2 total posts), they are just trying to take advantage, and to avoid the $75 fee (which I really think is quite a reasonable amount to ask considering how many people visit this site and read the job postings).

Long-time posters who mention job openings and say "PM me for details" are less likely to have their posts deleted, because it's pretty clear they're not really a recruiter or school owner, that they have legit experience with the school, and that they're willing to provide advice and be involved in the community here--not just post for their own, or their school's, personal gain.

The Job Info Journal is not really there to post job openings either. It's there for people to post their experiences about the school. Sure, maybe this current opening will be filled soon, but there might be another opening in a few months or a year, and people who are applying for it will be able to go to the job info journal and say "wow, this guy had a good experience there. I don't know him, but at least there is someone out there who has good things to say about the school."
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oneiros



Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marista99 wrote:
My feeling on this is that when people post about job openings who never contribute to this forum for any other reason (i.e. the OP who has only had 2 total posts), they are just trying to take advantage, and to avoid the $75 fee (which I really think is quite a reasonable amount to ask considering how many people visit this site and read the job postings).

Long-time posters who mention job openings and say "PM me for details" are less likely to have their posts deleted, because it's pretty clear they're not really a recruiter or school owner, that they have legit experience with the school, and that they're willing to provide advice and be involved in the community here--not just post for their own, or their school's, personal gain.


Didn't we get rid of post counts precisely because we thought they caused too much favouritism towards long-time posters?

You can't have two sets of rules. Either job ads are allowed for everybody, or they're not allowed at all.
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marista99



Joined: 05 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what counts as an ad? Is an ad only "Post available! 2 million won, shared housing, great area of Seoul, no split shifts or Saturdays. Email [email protected] if your interested!"

Or is it an ad if a long time member, who is therefore most likely a legit poster, says "I'm leaving this awesome job in September, hint hint"?

I'm not saying we need two sets of rules. But I am saying that long time members who have posted a lot have more credibility. That's just the way things are. If you'd been going to the same bar every day for 10 years, and one day you asked the bartender to let you pay for your drinks tomorrow, he'd probably say okay, I know you're good for it. Whereas if someone came in off the street who'd never been there before, had 10 drinks and then said "I'll pay you tomorrow", that wouldn't go over as well. If someone's been around longer, you have experience with them and thus you are more likely to trust them.
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fidel



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But I am saying that long time members who have posted a lot have more credibility. That's just the way things are. If you'd been going to the same bar every day for 10 years, and one day you asked the bartender to let you pay for your drinks tomorrow, he'd probably say okay, I know you're good for it


It seems some are living in an internet induced fantasy world. Most of us are adults on this board, and are quite capable of making our own decisions about whether a potential job is legit or not. A recommendation is simply that. Don't try to read more into it, like " wow this guy has 5000 posts and has been a member for several years, I'll take the job!"

Chances are if you have been going to the same bar every day for 10 years you're an alcoholic and no doubt living a hand to glass existence. A bar would no more give you credit, than he would a total stranger. The same goes for this board. In my mind those posters who post 20 times a day have less credibility than the occasional poster who offers sage advice, information etc. The so called 'long termers, veterans or whatever militaristic moneiker you want to call them, possibly do have better advice than someone who has just arrived, however try to remember that there are thousands of teachers who don't use this board, or do so infrequently. Disregarding their input because they have a low post count makes me shake my head in wonder . Grow up. I often wonder who falls prey to scammers like the Nigerians. "If you send me enough mail, I'll eventually believe you".

Putting value in posts counts is infantile and meaningless.


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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fidel, that's very wise.
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oneiros



Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marista99 wrote:
So what counts as an ad? Is an ad only "Post available! 2 million won, shared housing, great area of Seoul, no split shifts or Saturdays. Email [email protected] if your interested!"

Or is it an ad if a long time member, who is therefore most likely a legit poster, says "I'm leaving this awesome job in September, hint hint"?

I'm not saying we need two sets of rules. But I am saying that long time members who have posted a lot have more credibility. That's just the way things are. If you'd been going to the same bar every day for 10 years, and one day you asked the bartender to let you pay for your drinks tomorrow, he'd probably say okay, I know you're good for it. Whereas if someone came in off the street who'd never been there before, had 10 drinks and then said "I'll pay you tomorrow", that wouldn't go over as well. If someone's been around longer, you have experience with them and thus you are more likely to trust them.


Slightly different situation. The mods aren't providing customer service.l They're supposed to be acting as the police of the board. It's more like the police pulling someone over for a major traffic violation, seeing that it's someone they've known for a while, and saying, "Hey, that's okay. I've known you a long time and I trust you. Go ahead."
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fidel



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Wink
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Aglamesis



Joined: 06 May 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:57 am    Post subject: a little late Reply with quote

Wow. I am amazed at the response to my post. It has been almost 8 years and i did a search for my old hakwon to find some info about it. This post came up in the search. I had completely forgotten about it. In fact, i don't even remember reading the discussion that it spurred. haha. I don't think i ever got any emails from it so i never looked back.

I don't know if any of the responders will even see this. Maybe my original post should have gone into a different section, but i don't know if i even knew about that at the time. I spent one year in Korea and returned to the US, even though i regretted not staying longer. I felt very lucky to find a good school and was genuinely trying to leave an opening for people that wanted a contact for that school in case they had questions. Now that i read the original post, i agree that it could have gone either way. I could have been a recruiter trying to attract teachers (not very convincingly). But in those situations i think anybody searching for a position that is interested should just send an email. I think in most cases you can gauge by the response if the person is honest or is trying to sell something. What's the harm?

cheers

i wonder what my other post was...
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litebear



Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You commented on the Korean class at Ewha
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