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Koreans and the Empy Seat Next to the Foreigner
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nateyb



Joined: 28 Dec 2003
Location: witness protection program (or Bundang)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have noticed, and this has really helped me in the white guy PR department, is when I see an ajumma or an ajushi standing and I am sitting, I give them my seat. Even if there is a seat next to me.

Yeah, it kind of stinks, but the smiles I get from them goes a long way.
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lush72



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: I am Penalty Kick!

PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nateyb wrote:
I have noticed, and this has really helped me in the white guy PR department, is when I see an ajumma or an ajushi standing and I am sitting, I give them my seat. Even if there is a seat next to me.

Yeah, it kind of stinks, but the smiles I get from them goes a long way.


So let me get this right, while there is a perfectly good unoccupied seat next to you, you actually get up to let one person sit in the seat previously occupied by you? Why not then sit down in the unoccupied seat? You both would be sitting then.

Um... that is the most retarded thing I have ever heard of a foreigner doing. Who cares if other human beings feel apprehensive about sitting next to another human being? Or do they not see it that way after all......
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he means if all the seats are full, he gives up his seat to an elderly person. I do the same thing... although I'll give up my seat for an elderly woman, elderly man, or an attractive woman.
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lush72



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryleeys wrote:
I think he means if all the seats are full, he gives up his seat to an elderly person. I do the same thing... although I'll give up my seat for an elderly woman, elderly man, or an attractive woman.



He also gives up his seat when there is an empty one next to him. Retarded, pure retarded. Rolling Eyes
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sistersarah



Joined: 03 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this happens to me even so often too...and, i'm not an unattractive foreigner, i'm pretty small and unthreatening.....

men of all ages sit down next to me without hesitation. some may be surprised to hear that it's usually young girls or women who avoid sitting next to me.

once a woman around my age (mid-twenties) sat down, looked at me, got up and moved to another seat across the way. i was a little shocked.

i would be interested to hear from other female posters how you're regarded by young women here. i often get dirty looks from them (especially if they're with their boyfriends). they give me the up and down and just stare out of the corners of their eyes. it's not wonderment or curiousity, it's critiquing. it makes me so uncomfortable.

i was just in the face shop today and there were four women working. i was the only one in the store and they kept looking at me, talking, giggling and when it was obvious i was ready to leave, i had to ask one to check me out because none of them seemed to want to. while she was getting my cash the others proceeded to stare and talk. i felt very uncomfortable.

this kind of thing happens frequently on the bus and subway, but i hardly ever have a problem with men, it's usually with young women and it annoys the piss out of me.

i got a little off topic there.

hey, i'm having one of those days, gimme a break.
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For you sistersarah, I'd say it's because they're jealous... I've seen what you look like and there's no doubt in my mind that alot of these girls are jealous... they probably have Korean boyfriends that have a bit of a soft spot for western women.
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yangban



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The Great Green Pacific Northwest

PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hubby and I have never had a problem. Everyone goes right for us. They sit next to us and stare. I don't mind someone sitting next to me, but the staring...
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Butterfly



Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait

PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sister Sarah wrote:
i was just in the face shop today and there were four women working. i was the only one in the store and they kept looking at me, talking, giggling and when it was obvious i was ready to leave, i had to ask one to check me out because none of them seemed to want to. while she was getting my cash the others proceeded to stare and talk. i felt very uncomfortable.


I'm sure this was embarrassment at thinking they had to speak English, nothing to do with your appearance, you other examples yes, but this I have experienced also. It's an English thing.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sister sarah I'm tall and blonde so I stand out in crowds and I too find that guys don't mind sitting next to me. Freaky hangooks are a bit of a worry but in general guys of all ages are happy to sit next to me, as long as I'm dressed relatively conservatively (if I'm in my clubbing gear the rules change)

I have been on a train where adjumas have ordered people out of the adjacent seat so that I can sit down and talk to them. So maybe it is a gender thing.

As for younger women I haven't really noticed many problems. I do try and greet people in korean, wherever possible and I think that helps break down barriers with younger women as they see making a fool of myself with bad korean they don't get so shy about making mistakes in speaking english.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans and the Empy Seat Next to the Foreigner Reply with quote

JacktheCat wrote:
Was on the subway coming back to Incheon this afternoon. As usually the subway car filled up pretty quick till there was just one seat left; next to me. On comes this adjuma, doing the usual push everyone out of the way and grap the seat thing. Sits down and looks over and realises she just sat next to a foreigner. She got a big surprised look on her face and let out a scream of fright. Jumped up and ran to the other side of the subway car and spent the rest of the trip glowering at me.

While most Koreans couldn't care less, I've noticed that there is a sizeable minority of Koreans that will go to great lengths to avoid sitting next to a foreigner. There have been times where I've been on a bus with an empty seat next to me and five or more Koreans standing around unwilling to sit down next to me.


Maybe you have BO. Wink

Quite often, Korean English teachers (or Jehovah witnesses) ask me before boarding the train if they can sit next to me. It makes the ride a lot more enjoyable.
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little mixed girl



Joined: 11 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i haven't experiened that, but perhaps as others have said it's more of a gender thing... =/
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:32 pm    Post subject: lots of room Reply with quote

Just sit down in a sleeveless shirt showing your tat's Laughing

I rarely have anyone not sit next to me and I look like a Harley Davidson poster child. Big, beard and a few tat's. Next to me most Koreans look like little children. Cool
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've experienced the empty seat syndrome a few times. But i've noticed that the Banglageshi/Pakistani guys on the subway get an even worse reaction, poor devils.
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nateyb wrote:
I have noticed, and this has really helped me in the white guy PR department, is when I see an ajumma or an ajushi standing and I am sitting, I give them my seat.

I did this when I first got here if the passengers standing were substantially older (55+?). Then I was told to STOP DOING THAT by my girlfriend at the time - her argument was that it was unintentially shaming the young Koreans sitting nearby for not offering their seats before the foreigner did. Not sure if I buy that.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should be ashamed if they won't give up their seats for some old grandma with a load of bags. I do it occasionally and the old folks seem to appreciate the gesture, I'm more bothered about them than some college kid pretending to be asleep cos he's comfortable.
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