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marista99
Joined: 05 Jun 2004
Location: Incheon
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North American English seems to be the most widely spoken/written from what I've seen, on TV, in books and especially on the Internet. Like it or not, the international version of English is primarily American English. Better to teach the kids that since that's what they're most likely to be using later on.
But, if my employer insisted, I suppose I could teach the kids to write "colour" and "organise"....but I wouldn't like it! |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:19 am Post subject: |
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For the love of Christ, most Canadians say Zed and use British spelling. Organise, colour, honour, valour. Read any Canadian online paper. Brits that get on here and pretend to be doing this tongue-in-cheek really just make themselves look stupid. I used to use American spelling in class and say Zee. I stopped. I hate it. It is English for dummies. Gud thing Teddy Roosevelt didn't get vayree fahr with his his dikshunaree:
(From a biography of TDR)
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| His sense of moral rightness extended to matters of minute detail as well. Feeling that the spelling of the English language was not accessible to all, in 1906 he demanded that spelling be simplified in all government publications; changing "honour" to "honor," "through" to "thru" and so on. The order created a national sensation and placed Roosevelt's manipulation of his powers as president in a new light. |
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/eleanor/peopleevents/pande03.html
There you go. US English is simplified. Simple. Basic. Uni-cellular.
The change in spelling wasn't a natural evolution, it was a personal crusade by both Roosevelt and, before him, whatever his name was Webster:
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About 200 years ago, the first popular American dictionary was able to suggest a few hundred American spellings. Webster justified the changes on patriotic grounds and his reformed spellings were eventually accepted by the government.
By contrast, the list of reform spellings that were proposed about 100 years ago never got beyond being listed as variant spellings. Congress rescinded President Teddy Roosevelt's executive order to use 300 simplified spellings in government publications. By 1906, there was overwhelming bipartisan support for not tampering with the traditional writing system. Today, publishers in the UK and US as well as readers are locked into the overly complicated traditional spellings.
About the only people that seem dissatisfied with archaic or historical spelling are ESL students. Unlike English speaking school children, ESL students know better and resent having to deal with an illogical writing system. |
http://www.spellingsociety.org/journals/j31/global.html
TDR was no slouch, he graduated with honours from Harvard. He was an anti-elitist, however, and a bit of a manipulator of public opinion. So, I guess that makes me an elitist and makes patriotic Americans manipulated. And simple. And on a par with ESL students.
Just whom do I think I am, they say......
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| I like to teach them to use a good dictionary that includes variant spellings. |
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turtlepi1
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:53 am Post subject: Did I miss something? |
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Why are you calling it "North American" english?
I haven't done a survey of my friends but I had always used the colour, behaviour, "u" etc, etc. My profs always have as well.
I recently completed a BSc at an american university (I wasn't smart enough to do one at a Canadian university)  and they picked up on the differences between Canadian & American english right away.
If an american can figure out it is not "North American" english what is wrong with you? 
(justing kidding with the "digs" but the rest of it is heart-felt.) |
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ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:38 am Post subject: |
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If you Brits have such a problem with it, help me in my quest to have "American" declared an official language. Languages evolve or die. In fact, I'm close to supporting spelling plurals with a 'z', since it is pronounced "pizzaz" or "baseballz"...
Disclaimer: This is the third time I'm adding a disclaimer about being drunk and ya know what? I don't even care about the redundancy... to hell with y'all.
Bonus Disclaimer: I teach "y'all" as the proper form of "you" in the plural sense. Eat that you London twits. |
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| ryleeys wrote: |
| Bonus Disclaimer: I teach "y'all" as the proper form of "you" in the plural sense. Eat that you London twits. |
I'll do you one better. I like to teach "yonder" as the third English deictic in a tripartite system even though the word "yonder" has pretty much died out of most dialects outside of parts of Scotland and the South Eastern U.S. |
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Mr. Kalgukshi
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Location: Here or on the International Job Forums
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:23 pm Post subject: Roll |
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I'm still trying to figure out what a "North American" is?  |
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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lets see...
american english will ALWAYS be a second class language.. all you wannabes that think it is equal or better  snap out of it..
my proof of this is and always will be...
ENGLand - ENGLish
AMERica - ENGLish
when people start to say "i speak american" i will then take you seriously..
that said, the people in korea are a little slow.. they want to speak american.. so i teach them to speak american, not english.
| Ryleeys wrote: |
| If you Brits have such a problem with it, help me in my quest to have "American" declared an official language. |
i'll help |
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IconsFanatic
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
| For the love of Christ, most Canadians say Zed and use British spelling. Organise..... |
Yikes! I thought Brits used "organized"! No wonder I'm still unemployed over here.....
It really is amazing how few Brits realize Canadians use the Queen's English over "American English". It seems "the world" to most Brits only extends to western Europe. |
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| IconsFanatic wrote: |
| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
| For the love of Christ, most Canadians say Zed and use British spelling. Organise..... |
Yikes! I thought Brits used "organized"! No wonder I'm still unemployed over here.....
It really is amazing how few Brits realize Canadians use the Queen's English over "American English". It seems "the world" to most Brits only extends to western Europe. |
i was only poking fun before..
canadians may spell like the british but they sound like americans.. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| A self-styled elitist should know that the superfluous "u" in words such as "honor", "color", and "labor", is merely a needless Frenchification of English spelling. |
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| A self-styled elitist should know that the superfluous "u" in words such as "honor", "color", and "labor", is merely a needless Frenchification of English spelling. |
english.. it is their language, let them do it what they want...
if you painted your bedroom blue, it wouldn't be a problem..
if i painted your bedroom pink (without asking), would you be upset? |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| wylde wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| A self-styled elitist should know that the superfluous "u" in words such as "honor", "color", and "labor", is merely a needless Frenchification of English spelling. |
english.. it is their language, let them do it what they want...
if you painted your bedroom blue, it wouldn't be a problem..
if i painted your bedroom pink (without asking), would you be upset? |
One less cup of coffee and I wouldn't get into this with you again, but...
There is no legally recognized "right of ownership" of language.
The strength of English, in comparison to languages such as Korean, German, and French is that there is no regulatory authority making prescriptive decisions regarding English orthography, pronounciation, and so on. No one "owns" the English language.
This flexibility is its greatest strength, allowing it to be used, in adaptation to the underlying non-English culture, in such far-flung places as India, Singapore, and yes, even Australia. |
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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coffee.. good idea 
maybe, 'like konglish', we should start to say 'ameriglish'.. don't you think?
in fact... from this point on.. i will |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| wylde wrote: |
coffee.. good idea
maybe, 'like konglish', we should start to say 'ameriglish'.. don't you think?
in fact... from this point on.. i will |
I like it better than "Sepponian" |
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