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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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 Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:55 pm Post subject: jobs other than teaching that pay 2 million won/month |
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i was talking to my friend in canada. he's a smart cookie but not educated, in the literal '4 years at school' sense. he wants out of canada for a while and is extremely jealous of how blingified i am with my hagwon salary.
what could a dude do here other than teaching? especially some job where they're looking for foreigners, would pay for an apartment, provide a working visa and fly you over?
i checked in the FAQ but since this is generally an ESL forum i didn't check too hard, i didn't expect any results. i still don't really expect results but i told him i'd ask around. |
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Mashimaro
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| You can do heaps of things other than teaching. Providing the need can't be met by 50 million other koreans or the thousands of foreigners here already. I'm not try to be a smarta** but korea has a high population and a highly educated population and arguably a disinclination to hire foreigners over koreans. the odds are stacked against us. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| He could get an ESL job illegally, but assuming he's not fluent in Korean, then the best he can expect is a job at the local furniture assembly factory for 500,000 won per month. |
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helly
Joined: 01 Apr 2003
Location: WORLDWIDE
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| Arguably a disinclination to hire foreigners over Koreans? Actually, its part of the legal process. When I was getting my E7 visa, my employers had to provide proof of why my job couldn't be done by a Korean. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| helly wrote: |
| Arguably a disinclination to hire foreigners over Koreans? Actually, its part of the legal process. When I was getting my E7 visa, my employers had to provide proof of why my job couldn't be done by a Korean. |
Yep, it's hardly a practice exclusive to Korea. |
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Mashimaro
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| helly wrote: |
| Arguably a disinclination to hire foreigners over Koreans? Actually, its part of the legal process. When I was getting my E7 visa, my employers had to provide proof of why my job couldn't be done by a Korean. |
Yep, it's hardly a practice exclusive to Korea. |
True, nor did I say it was |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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yeah i had thought it would be hard. it is in canada, too.
a bunch of my american friends who are sick to death of the US were trying to move to canada, and we have a point system there, i didn't even know about it.
i'm sure any country is the same unless you're a doctor or civil engineer or something really useful. oh well, my buddy's going to have to wait. |
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lush72
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: I am Penalty Kick!
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| helly wrote: |
| Arguably a disinclination to hire foreigners over Koreans? Actually, its part of the legal process. When I was getting my E7 visa, my employers had to provide proof of why my job couldn't be done by a Korean. |
I think the lawyers here also had to do the same thing for my E-7. I know that in the US if you want to hire a foreigner you must prove that you advertised the job for x number of weeks and no one responded- thats why you have korean lawyers and biz owners paying 10,000 to 30,000 US to go kill chickens for Tyson back in the states. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Mashimaro wrote: |
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| helly wrote: |
| Arguably a disinclination to hire foreigners over Koreans? Actually, its part of the legal process. When I was getting my E7 visa, my employers had to provide proof of why my job couldn't be done by a Korean. |
Yep, it's hardly a practice exclusive to Korea. |
True, nor did I say it was |
Yes, I know  |
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lovalova
Joined: 30 Jun 2004
Location: Wherever the girls are
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| No really guys is there anything else but ESL. I did a research and found out that there are IT jobs for Korean and foreign companies which would hire a foreigner. These jobs say they are full time permanent so I am a bit confused by that (visa). So does anyone know anything about those kind of jobs. I also want to come over but not to teach ESL because I wasn��t born in an English speaking country so English is not my first language. I am an Australian citizen and my English is quite good but I have a wog accent so I don��t know if they will pick up on it. So people for real is there anything besides ESL and if there is how much Korean should we know. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| uberscheisse wrote: |
| what could a dude do here other than teaching? especially some job where they're looking for foreigners, would pay for an apartment, provide a working visa and fly you over? |
If you REALLY wanna make some serious $$$, why not consider becoming a male HOST / gigolo???
There certainly seems to be enough lonely ( & loaded ) adjummas out there.
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| Arguably a disinclination to hire foreigners over Koreans? Actually, its part of the legal process. When I was getting my E7 visa, my employers had to provide proof of why my job couldn't be done by a Korean. |
For me, a question i'd like to have the answer to, is whether Canada employs a similar discrimination policy 
I know the US does. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| lush72 wrote: |
| I know that in the US if you want to hire a foreigner you must prove that you advertised the job for x number of weeks and no one responded- thats why you have korean lawyers and biz owners paying 10,000 to 30,000 US to go kill chickens for Tyson back in the states. |
I don't understand what that means... Korean lawyers and business owners are paying who $10,000-30,000 so that who can do what? 
The Guru |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I know people who edit, write for the english version of local papers, and things like that, but you'v gotta have a very solid knowledge of Korean and usually already be here for those types of jobs |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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If you want to work in Korea for a Korean company doing anything not related to teaching, editing, translating, or otherwise having primarily to do with your command of the English language, you are going to have to have something significant in your skillset besides knowledge of English and Korean and a desire to live in Korea.
One option that I don't believe has been mentioned is finding employment with a foreign company that has an operation in Korea. |
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lush72
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: I am Penalty Kick!
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
I don't understand what that means... Korean lawyers and business owners are paying who $10,000-30,000 so that who can do what?
The Guru |
| The Washington Post wrote: |
Chicken Plant Jobs Open U.S. Doors for Koreans
By Peter Pae
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 1, 1999; Page A1
Last of four articles
SALISBURY, Md. Hundreds of white-collar, middle-class Koreans, desperate to immigrate to the United States, are paying as much as $30,000 each to work in chicken plants on the Eastern Shore.
Immigration brokers advertise the poultry jobs in Korean newspapers as a shortcut to the United States. Koreans who respond pay $10,000 to $30,000 in fees and promise to work for a year in processing plants, according to interviews with about 50 current and former poultry workers.......
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This is a Loooooong article so I didnt post it here. You can read it here
What is funny is that these people are outright lied to by other Koreans through each step of the process- it really makes you think- is dishonesty genetic on environmental? Hogwons lie to get you to Korea, koreans lie to get koreans to the US.
A culture of deciet and dishonesty, if there ever was one!
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The Koreans come to work in slaughterhouses with one primary goal: bringing their children to the United States for what they believe are better educational and economic opportunities. Most are middle-aged bankers, lawyers and managers who spend their life savings to get the jobs and then find themselves handling work far more difficult than they imagined.
For Koreans coming to the Eastern Shore chicken industry, often there is another hurdle. Workers said in interviews that the Baltimore employment broker who controls most local deals requires a $5,000 deposit that he holds in escrow until the Koreans complete a year's work.
"It's like slavery," said Chan Hoo Choi, 37, who works at Perdue's Showell, Md., plant, cutting livers from chickens passing by on a conveyor line at 24 per minute. In Korea, Choi was a homemaker and her husband, Young Soo, a food company supervisor. "We were told American plants were automated and that we didn't have to do so much manual labor," she said, speaking in Korean. "They lied to us." |
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