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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:01 am    Post subject: swearing inside the classroom and out Reply with quote

One of my pet hates with my kids is them using f you. I'm pretty tolerant of letting my kids say stupid things in english but I really don't like them swearing. If I see a book with it on I will rip off the covers and I threw some kids pencil case into the hall when I saw it on there and if I hear it in class the kids are out and are writing it 500 times after school crouching on the floor.

So I'm the local super today getting a drink and they have on some music on as they do. At the end of this song I hear f you (well in the fuller form) belted out in the middle of the supermarket. It really bugs me how this word has been mistranslated and totally abused by pop culture here. I then I spend my time tell my boys, no you can't say that out loud in class to me, you also can't say f u usa because if you say that to a random white person because they are going to kick your butt.

Man I'm starting to sound like my dad.... but GRRRRRRRRRrrr.
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rawiri



Joined: 01 Jun 2003
Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's only two things that get me really ticked off with the kids, them sayin f you or giving the bird, and hocking up loogies and depositing them on my classroom floor. Ok so thats three things but the bird and the word are the samesame.

Re-the spitting, at my previous hagwon i didn't care as the director never paid to have the place cleaned and the place generally was a stinky dump. But at my new job i've been allocated a room of my own which is immaculate, and I couldnt believe it when this little guy just hocked right on my clean floor, he got a hua of an earbashing i don't mind saying!
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last week, in a class of four nine year olds who are all well behaved and hard workers I looked at one of the kids, kind of an eclectic girl, and she smiled sweetly, gave me the bird, and called me 'pabo'. It was the end of class when she knew I wouldn't get her to stand arms up against the wall for a bit and make an issue of it. It was just kind of surreal. But she's kind of a tightly wrapped wingnut anyway.
I've never seen anyone spit on the floor. Out the window onto passersby but not 'wasted' onto the floor.
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Michelle



Joined: 18 May 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: swearing Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
One of my pet hates with my kids is them using f you. I'm pretty tolerant of letting my kids say stupid things in english but I really don't like them swearing. If I see a book with it on I will rip off the covers and I threw some kids pencil case into the hall when I saw it on there and if I hear it in class the kids are out and are writing it 500 times after school crouching on the floor.

So I'm the local super today getting a drink and they have on some music on as they do. At the end of this song I hear f you (well in the fuller form) belted out in the middle of the supermarket. It really bugs me how this word has been mistranslated and totally abused by pop culture here. I then I spend my time tell my boys, no you can't say that out loud in class to me, you also can't say f u usa because if you say that to a random white person because they are going to kick your butt.

Man I'm starting to sound like my dad.... but GRRRRRRRRRrrr.




I will always punish older students for this but I have been told, by Koreans, granted, and believe that the very young kids don't know better and are told to do it by older kids.

It's so ironic though when you see the Koreans refuse to punish an older kid, using this excuse.

"Oh, they don't know better."

Especially when the young ones always do it only if they're naughty. They tell them anything.

My current school, being small has steered clear from this phenomenon. Please let it stay like this!

And I am yet to witness a 'dong chim' here either.

I must be lucky!
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teach them the skill of 'how do you like it when I say...':

If the kids keep it up and the Korean teachers and director doesn't put much effort into stopping it, start saying 'ahhhh..sssheebahl loam' whenever the kids start swearing in your language. It'll get back to the parents eventually, then to the director, who will say 'please don't say that to the kids', which will counterweight their excuse of 'they don't know any better'. Nor do you. So both parties keep swearing in the other's language until people wise up.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chronicpride wrote:
Teach them the skill of 'how do you like it when I say...':

If the kids keep it up and the Korean teachers and director doesn't put much effort into stopping it, start saying 'ahhhh..sssheebahl loam' whenever the kids start swearing in your language. It'll get back to the parents eventually, then to the director, who will say 'please don't say that to the kids', which will counterweight their excuse of 'they don't know any better'. Nor do you. So both parties keep swearing in the other's language until people wise up.


I'm not playing at starting to swear in korean infront of the kids. I think that will be a way to get fired. But my working envrioment is such that if a kid is mucking around they will get beaten on my say so.

Just a mere comment that I really hate that I say stop and yet in a supermarket on sunday afternoon I can hear it belted out.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When my students give me a finger, I tell them, "No, we're not talking about mountains right now."
Then I show them the picture of �� in a Korean sign language dictionary.

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Kim Jong Jordan



Joined: 13 Mar 2004
Location: The Internet

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I should curb my swearing before I get to Korea.
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insamsaram



Joined: 16 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's natural in some ways though no less annoying maybe. I know I was always anxious to learn and implement proscribed information growing up. Also, my Korean girlfriend is much more likely to use English curse words that I find offensive as opposed to Korean ones because she has no feeling or sensitivity in saying them. And for me, Korean curse words or vulgarities feel rather neutral as well. But if I went around saying ����, it would piss her off. When it's all over movies etc... it seems normal without the cultural sensitivities to back it up.
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Ryst Helmut



Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
When my students give me a finger, I tell them, "No, we're not talking about mountains right now."
Then I show them the picture of �� in a Korean sign language dictionary.

http://cein21.net/suhwoa/20/20_24.htm


thank yis ever so much...cried in laughter...ahh, needed that!

As for students who try to get away from discipline by saying/doing vulgar things at the end of class...no go, I made them miss their next class by being punished throughout my next class. All the new students sure made a point to gossip about the student in the corner, and a double whammy when the director came into my class looking for the student....only to be told what said student did. Bruhahaha.

!Shoosh

Ryst
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

C'mon Ryst! I'm SURE you've used a "bad" word in class a time or two!!!

Wink

PS: Considering the past two hirees, I'd take YOU back in a minute!! Laughing
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Ryst Helmut



Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...

PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajuma wrote:
C'mon Ryst! I'm SURE you've used a "bad" word in class a time or two!!!

Wink

PS: Considering the past two hirees, I'd take YOU back in a minute!! Laughing


More like 3....

Anywho, an update...I taught my Turkish students the phrase, "kiss my ass" today, and "bullshiit" last Friday. So, much to my chagrin, during break I heard a student yell "Bullshiit" and the other replied "kiss my as s" and all in a game of chess....heathens!



!Shoosh

Ryst
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm almost as bad as Ryst.
The children were teasing me by saying "�޿���������!"
So I drew a staff and treble clef on the board, filled the staff with so mi-la so mi, and wrote "na na na boo boo" as the lyrics.
I told them that this was the English equivalent of "�޿���������!"
Now the children tease me with "na na na boo boo."
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good idea, Kim Jong Jordan!
I used to swear in class all I wanted to--whenever I lost something, whenever I dropped something, whenever a pencil lead broke.
But then the students started imitating me.
Now I'm afraid of what they will tell their parents when their parents ask, "What did you learn in English school today?"
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royjones



Joined: 26 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

break time was ending and class was going to start. 5 of my students were playing hangman as i walk in. The one boy had four blanks on the board. The first one was c. There were 3 girls and 1 boy guessing. I stood and watched until he had c u n _ on the board, and decided it was enough. I guess his friend had taught him a new word. He proudly told me what it was. I was shooked and told him never to use that word again, especially in front of girls. He laughed. I think he was planning on using it more now... craziness these kids.
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