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jurassic5
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
Location: PA
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| ryleeys wrote: |
| Who's to say that the Beetles are any better than BoA? |
THE BEATLES ARE BETTER THAN BoA!! |
but i'd rather tap Boa's ass than Ringo's 
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Blind Willie
Joined: 05 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:54 am Post subject: |
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1- Music is a human constant.
2- Taste is personal. You can intellectualize it all you want, but if it speaks to someone on a gut level, that means it's good.
3- Deriding someone for their taste makes you look insecure about your own tastes. It's like being the guy who claims that "Those body builders are all homos and I could kick any of their asses"
4- Using music to identify your personality is pretty weak.
5- Koreans like Korean music. If they didn't then they wouldnt listen to it.
6- What you think doesnt matter crap. |
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Bowden_PSM
Joined: 22 Jun 2004
Location: United Arab Emirates
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:03 am Post subject: |
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[quote="ryleeys"]Who's to say that the Beetles are any better than BoA?
What?
It's no contest. I don't remember BoA releasing a disc pack to the brim with singles that went number one. Come on now...
Yeah, people have different tastes, sure, but don't be ridiculous. |
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ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:44 am Post subject: |
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You guys that are so adament about saying that western music is better than Korean, instead of being content with saying YOU like it better...
You're as ethnocentric as the Koreans you like to bash so much. |
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Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| Blind Willie wrote: |
| Taste is personal. You can intellectualize it all you want, but if it speaks to someone on a gut level, that means it's good. |
Wrong. REO Speedwagon could touch someone in the deepest pits of their colon and REO Speedwagon would still not be good.
| Blind Willie wrote: |
| Deriding someone for their taste makes you look insecure about your own tastes. It's like being the guy who claims that "Those body builders are all homos and I could kick any of their asses" |
I could totally kick those homo body builders' asses. And I am 100% secure in the quality of my taste, hence I'm being a stubborn *beep* about this whole thing.
| Blind Willie wrote: |
| Using music to identify your personality is pretty weak. |
I only use music to pick arguments.
| Blind Willie wrote: |
| Koreans like Korean music. If they didn't then they wouldn't listen to it. |
One of the most obvious statements I've heard in a long while. And it also addresses the exact problem I've been getting at: Koreans like Korean music. They need to stop doing that. Then it would go away.
| Blind Willie wrote: |
| What you think doesnt matter crap. |
You're mean. I'm going to curl up with my H.O.T. record and try to forget you said that. |
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Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| ryleeys wrote: |
You guys that are so adament about saying that western music is better than Korean, instead of being content with saying YOU like it better...
You're as ethnocentric as the Koreans you like to bash so much. |
We're not bashing Koreans. We're bashing their miserable, miserable, miserable music. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| Bowden_PSM wrote: |
What?
It's no contest. I don't remember BoA releasing a disc pack to the brim with singles that went number one. Come on now...
Yeah, people have different tastes, sure, but don't be ridiculous. |
Earlier this year she had three different albums that dominated the top ten selling albums in Asia. I believe it was March when of the top three selling albums for the month, they were all BoA. Oddly enough, she's more popular in Japan than she is in Korea.
When she slows down, she will release a disc pack of her #1 singles like everyone else. But for now, she doesn't need it as she's still releasing new albums. And she's still hitting #1 singles in a market that is far larger with far more competition than when the Beetle's were thumping out their titles. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Yep, we've been busy in the west, creating styles upon styles of genre smashing, world shaking, block rocking innovation, packed with potency and creative verve. And what have the Koreans given us?
"Dance"
"K Pop"
"Ballad"
Sorry, cultural sensitivity aside, but Korean contempory music is wafer thin. It's seen as a diversionary entertainment as opposed to vital pulse of the soul of the nations youth, a genuine cultural artifact that has life affirming meaning which can reach out beyond temporal and cultural boundaries. |
You're comparing what mainstream broadcasts throw out as being the entire market. Plus you're comparing a market of more than a billion people that have had established marketing machines in place coupled with extensive investment on people learning music for generations and tens of billions of dollars in annual sales against a newly-joined first world country with a domestic music market value of $200 million annually.
I certainly hope that the western world is winning and has a far greater selection. At the same time, many of the genres you mentioned earlier are covered by Korean artists. They just don't get the free playtime. So when bands like Aida, Kafka, and Maya push out into genres not covered under the generic "ballad" or "dance" labels that are popular in Korea and don't fall nicely into preset programming expectations, they generally lose most of their media exposure.
I'm not going to lie and say that anything Korean is automatically good no more than I would lie and say anything that is Japanese is automatically good. But there is quite a bit out there that is worth a listen, and much like music anywhere, most people aren't going to like it. Should I come across something I like, I simply like it rather than saying that the country that artist came from is horrid for not releasing more good stuff.
You're the music expert. You tell me how many huge or influencual acts have come out of New Zealand. I don't know of any, but you would know far better than I. Does this mean it's now open season on kicking New Zealand out of the "western world music club" because they aren't contributing enough?
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buddy bradley
Joined: 24 Aug 2003
Location: The Beyond
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:48 am Post subject: |
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While I don't like most of the Korean music that I have heard, including the metal and atmospheric stuff that I came across, I still respect Korea for having a scene that has reached other countries. Can't say that about countries like South Africa, Canada, New Zealand etc.
It is strange that BoA is big in Japan though, considering that Koreans seemed to have totally ripped-off the Japanese scene and are still miles behind them. But then again that is my opinion so it obviously does not count for anything... |
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Lyrt
Joined: 26 May 2004
Location: Somewhere in France
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| Apple Scruff wrote: |
| BLABLABLA 100% secure in the quality of my taste BLABLABLA Korean music sucks BLABLABLA. |
I��m listening to Lotti, Bach, Biber, Couperin, Fux, Savall, Moulinier, Pergolese, Rameau, Vivaldi, Cimarosa, Gluck, Haydn, Mozart, Zack, Desprez, Goudimel, Monteverdi, Beethoven, Bizet, Brahms, Bruneau, Chopin, Dvorak, Gounod, Gried, Gridenko, Mendelssohn, Offenbach, Rossini, Saint-Saens, Schubert, Schumann, Smetana, Tchaikovsky, Verdi, Wagner, etc.
When speaking of modern music, I think of Barber, Britten, Chostakovitch, Corigliano, De Mars, Debussy, Takemitsu, Rautavaara, Part, Faure, Dusapin, Desenclos, Holst, Landowski, Ligeti, Poulenc, Prokofiev, Orff, Durufle, Penderecki.
I think your tastes suck and that your definition of ��classic�� is corrupted by your proletarian education you try to disguise as being elitist which is an outright lie.
And French wines are the best in the world.
You will always find more snobbish than you. |
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sparkx
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: thekimchipot.com
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Lyrt wrote: |
I��m listening to Lotti, Bach, Biber, Couperin, Fux, Savall, Moulinier, Pergolese, Rameau, Vivaldi, Cimarosa, Gluck, Haydn, Mozart, Zack, Desprez, Goudimel, Monteverdi, Beethoven, Bizet, Brahms, Bruneau, Chopin, Dvorak, Gounod, Gried, Gridenko, Mendelssohn, Offenbach, Rossini, Saint-Saens, Schubert, Schumann, Smetana, Tchaikovsky, Verdi, Wagner, etc.
When speaking of modern music, I think of Barber, Britten, Chostakovitch, Corigliano, De Mars, Debussy, Takemitsu, Rautavaara, Part, Faure, Dusapin, Desenclos, Holst, Landowski, Ligeti, Poulenc, Prokofiev, Orff, Durufle, Penderecki.
I think your tastes suck and that your definition of ��classic�� is corrupted by your proletarian education you try to disguise as being elitist which is an outright lie.
And French wines are the best in the world |
I think you and Posco should get together for a little late night "spread the Schumann" followed by some good Gluck'ing.
I'll make the arrangements. 7:30 at Burger King good for you? |
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yangtheman
Joined: 16 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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never mind music, Koreans don't even realise virtually everything they touch was invented and given to them by us, westerners from western civilisation. We're talking Televisions, telephones, airplanes, houses, cars, furniture, plastic, metal, computers, everything you can think of.
And yet we're still inferior dirty waegooks. |
Umm... Invented by Westerners? Houses were invented by Westerners? Metal was invented, too? Furniture, too? Right, you are obviously very intelligent. |
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yangtheman
Joined: 16 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Koreans and Music |
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Sorry, I can't find anywhere in my post where I said they "have to like what [I] like" I was asking why it seems so little of them "recognize" or "appreciate" the older stuff.
And about generalizing ... can you show my any "all Koreans" in my statement. Or does it not seem like I tried to avoid generalizing by saying "Koreans I have spoken to" and "do you guys know any" |
So why did you start the thread? Because so many people (I want to know how many Koreans you know to see what the sampling rate was) don't "recognize" or "appreciate" your favorite songs or artists (which is very subjective), you are assuming majority of Koreans does not know jack about "the true geniuss of music." How do you suppose Koreans should have been exposed to the true geniuss of music before the 90s? Did you live here then? Do you understand how things were in Korea, then? How typical! You think other countries must be all American colonies? All the countries that don't share the same values or don't have the same stuff as America must be 3rd-world countries! PUUUUUULLLEEEAAASSEEEE! No wonder Americans are preceived as "stupid" and "arrogant" by so many other developed countries. Try to understand the history and culture of other countries before spewing your mindless thoughts. It actually goes to many of you here.
(Wearing flame-retardant suit and waiting........) |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| but dont forget who are the biggest consumers of the music you are talking about?? The same kids back in the west that love Nsync, Brittany, Blue etc |
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Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Lyrt wrote: |
| Apple Scruff wrote: |
| BLABLABLA 100% secure in the quality of my taste BLABLABLA Korean music sucks BLABLABLA. |
I��m listening to Lotti, Bach, Biber, Couperin, Fux, Savall, Moulinier, Pergolese, Rameau, Vivaldi, Cimarosa, Gluck, Haydn, Mozart, Zack, Desprez, Goudimel, Monteverdi, Beethoven, Bizet, Brahms, Bruneau, Chopin, Dvorak, Gounod, Gried, Gridenko, Mendelssohn, Offenbach, Rossini, Saint-Saens, Schubert, Schumann, Smetana, Tchaikovsky, Verdi, Wagner, etc.
When speaking of modern music, I think of Barber, Britten, Chostakovitch, Corigliano, De Mars, Debussy, Takemitsu, Rautavaara, Part, Faure, Dusapin, Desenclos, Holst, Landowski, Ligeti, Poulenc, Prokofiev, Orff, Durufle, Penderecki.
I think your tastes suck and that your definition of ��classic�� is corrupted by your proletarian education you try to disguise as being elitist which is an outright lie.
And French wines are the best in the world.
You will always find more snobbish than you. |
You haven't heard my specific tastes. I've just stated whether I like or dislike the selections posted by others here. Now here's my critique of your taste: it sucks. Why? Because it's not mine. 
You must be a big hit at parties. |
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