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Alpha
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
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Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:46 pm Post subject: Jobs in Seoul |
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Hi everyone,
Well, I have spent a considerable time reading everyone's posts, and found them to be not only useful, but insightful as well. I am planning to go to Korea within a couple of weeks without being sponsored, and am planning to look for a job while I am in Seoul. My first question is, can anyone of you recommend any cheap place to stay in Seoul while I look for a job, and can you also recommend any reputable Hagwons (I know that some of you may believe that to be an oxymoron, but am asking anyway) that I can possibly interview with while I am there? Thanks. |
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Saxiif

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: Seongnam
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Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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There's yagwons pretty much literally everwhere, I stick to the Love Motels personally and they're equally common and quite nice and can be had for as little as 30,000 on weekdays, there's got to be yagwons for a good bit less than that all over the place.
Asking about reputable hagwons probably won't do you all that much good since there's HUGE variations of quality within the big chains/franchises. But some good things to watch out for:
-If they want you to teach kindy and elementary then you'll work a split shift. Split shifts are the vile spawn of Satan. Unless you're willing to work pure kindy, its probably wiser to steer clear completely.
-Bigger schools and schools where a couple of schools are owned by the same people (not just being part of the same francise) is generally good since that means that the hagwon is established enough that its less likely to grow broke or gratutiously *beep* with you.
-Being the only waygook working for a little school owned by a guy/girl who just owns just one school is often asking for trouble, I learned this the hard way.
-Even pretty good schools will blanantly lie to you during job interviews.
-Post any potential contract here and ask people to look for weasel-clauses, contracts don't mean that much here but generally evil contract = evil school.
If there's anything else you want to know, I'd be happy to help. I'm living in Seoul at the moment. Don't like any warnings about dodgy schools scare you, I got fucked around a bit but I'm at a pretty good school now and I consider coming to Korea one of the best decisions I've ever made... |
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oneiros

Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Location: Villa Straylight
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Saxiif wrote: |
-Being the only waygook working for a little school owned by a guy/girl who just owns just one school is often asking for trouble, I learned this the hard way.
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I'll second that one. Also learned it the hard way. Lost four million won on that one.  |
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Saxiif

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: Seongnam
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:45 am Post subject: |
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oneiros wrote: |
Saxiif wrote: |
-Being the only waygook working for a little school owned by a guy/girl who just owns just one school is often asking for trouble, I learned this the hard way.
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I'll second that one. Also learned it the hard way. Lost four million won on that one.  |
I thought I'd lost 2.6+ million learning on my part, but then my gf starts yelling at my old boss and suddenly he gives me a million of what he owes me and now her brother is going to try to squeeze the rest out of the bastard. Nothing is better than good Korean friends... |
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Alpha
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:36 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice guys. I am really looking forward to going to Korea. |
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yakey
Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 6:11 am Post subject: Here to help |
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I've got four years here now and would be happy to help out. e-mail me: [email protected]. |
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mog

Joined: 06 May 2004
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:25 am Post subject: |
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However, don't the little hogwans make all their money from the SINGLE white face in their employment? That will give you some bargaining power, anyway. |
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Alpha
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Yakey for your email address. Just emailed you a question. Also, thanks Gollum for the letter that you sent me. I found it to be very helpful. It's good to know that there are people on this board that actually take the time to help people out instead of incessantly, and vehemently arguing with each other on such intelluctually stimulating subjects as, "Why Korean women like waygook," "Western women are overweight," "Korean men, and culture sucks," and "etc, etc, etc." I did find them to be quite amusing, however. It seems that some teachers are very busy patting themselves on the back, and stroking their fragile egos.
Mog, I am not white. I am Korean-American. I gues Koreans call people like me gyopo? At any rate, I unfortunately don't really speak Korean, except some basic phrases, and numbers. I am wondering just how many Koreans will look at me crazy for not being able to comminicate in Korean. It's going to be interesting to say the least. |
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prosodic

Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Location: ����
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Were you born in Korea? If so, would it be possible to get a copy of your cancelled Family Registry? If you can, then you can get an F4 visa. |
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Saxiif

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: Seongnam
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Mog, I am not white. I am Korean-American. I gues Koreans call people like me gyopo? |
In some schools this will make things more difficult for you since there are a lot of Koreans who've been in America for a few years and then come here to get an ESL jobs and often aren't anywhere near fluent (for example I found a resume in the school printer today from a Korean who'd been in America for 8 years and it was riddled with errors). Unless a potential boss speaks really good english, its hard for them to tell the difference between 100% fluent in English people (like you I presume) or people who've been in America for a while but aren't quite fluent (since I would guess a good number would lie about how long they've lived in America). However there are schools out there that prefer foreign-born Koreans to Whiteys but they mostly want people who speak perfect Korean as well, so you kind of get the shaft from both ends.
This doesn't mean you won't be able to find a great job, (you're much much much better off than if you were black) but it may mean you have to look just a bit harder so don't get discouraged... |
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Saxiif

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: Seongnam
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 12:33 am Post subject: |
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prosodic wrote: |
Were you born in Korea? If so, would it be possible to get a copy of your cancelled Family Registry? If you can, then you can get an F4 visa. |
Seconded. F4 visas are wonderful and beautiful things and would make your life vastly easier. |
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Alpha
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:35 am Post subject: |
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Hi Prosodic,
I am an adoptee like yourself. I was adopted when I was thirteen along with my brother, and sister. I have pretty much forgotten how to speak Korean, and what I remember about the Korean way of life is no doubt biased due to my young age when I was adopted, and also due to the fact that culture itself changes as time progresses through a medium such as popular culture which is a very effective way to change the behavior, and perception of the people.
I was adopted by an American family in Colorado, and certain values, and beliefs that I have are similar as those who I grew up with (good old transfusion of ideas amongst people.) I spent five years in the Navy (two years in Italy,) which as you might have guessed had a tremendous influence on me. I still have relatives in Korea, and am planning on visiting them. My younger sister visited them a couple of years ago, and was able to give me their phone numbers, and addresses. I have no idea how that's going to turn out, but I am nonetheless excited about it. Anyways, if you have any other questions, let me know. |
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Alpha
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 2:44 am Post subject: |
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Saxiif,
I almost forgot to mention that I am fluent in English, and considering that English is my only mode of communication, I had better be fluent in it, lol.
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I found a resume in the school printer today from a Korean who'd been in America for 8 years and it was riddled with errors |
There are possibly several explanations as to why this happened, but my guess is that he/she probably spent a considerable, if not all of the time among other Koreans, and therefore didn't use colloquial English, but instead spoke Korean. I actually worked with a Korean-American who had been in the U.S as long as I have been, but spoke elementary English, not to mention with an accent because all his family, and friends were Korean, and spoke Korean almost exclusively. Also, keep in mind that errors on resumes (spelling, grammar) are a common theme even amongst native speakers; In fact that's something that happens quite a bit.
As for schools that prefer whites, I really don't want to work at such a place. As hard as I try to be open minded, stupidity is something that I have low tolerance for. Thanks for the encouragement; I am sure that I can find a teaching job regardless of my phenotype. Talk about irony.
I was born in Korea, and am sure I was at one point registered. So, I will try to get a F-4 visa. Thanks for the info guys. BTW, where would I go to look at the family registry? |
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ajuma

Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:33 am Post subject: |
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As hard as I try to be open minded, stupidity is something that I have low tolerance for. |
Well, hang on to your hat (and your temper), because you're going to come up against a LOT of stupidity! But like Saxiif said, hang in there. There ARE schools that will hire you, although it will take a lot more looking. One other piece of advice: the more NON-Korean looking you are, the better your chances. Hair style, facial hair etc. will set you apart.
And while I usually WOULDN'T recommend Seoul, there or one of the other large cities (Busan, Daegu, Daejon) probably would be your best bet, at least the first time out.
Oh, about cheap yogwans....look for signs with a kind of "flame in a bowl" kind of neon light (in red). Some of them are bathhouses, but it's a good way to find a cheap place. Also, when you arrive at Incheon, ask at the tourist info desk for cheap places. They're usually pretty helpful. |
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Saxiif

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: Seongnam
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:53 am Post subject: |
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I almost forgot to mention that I am fluent in English, and considering that English is my only mode of communication, I had better be fluent in it, lol. |
I would certainly hope so
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So, I will try to get a F-4 visa. |
Make sure you do. If you have an F-4 you don't need a school to sponsor your visa which gives you a lot more flexibility (ie you don't have to deal with immigration and do a visa run to Japan or whatever every time you change your job).
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And while I usually WOULDN'T recommend Seoul, there or one of the other large cities (Busan, Daegu, Daejon) probably would be your best bet, at least the first time out.
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Well more foreigners want to live in Seoul so the jobs are slightly more competitive there (which isn't saying all that much), but then there's a lot more schools in smaller geographical areas if you're job hunting. Bit of a toss up.
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Oh, about cheap yogwans....look for signs with a kind of "flame in a bowl" kind of neon light (in red). |
Well a lot of those are Love Motels (usuall they'll have the three wavy lines in a bowl symbol too) but Love Motels are pretty nice and generally fairly cheap (esp. on weekdays) and the walls are good and thick... |
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