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[Homer]

Talk about missing the boat Dalton!

I never said ECC contracts werebetter then those of other schools.
Never said ECC contracts had better conditions then those of other schools.

That is not the point of the discussion. It is you that is trying to confuse the issue here.
What the thread became about was that you say that all ECC's are bad and that others who have worked at ECCs say their school was a good place to work.

No one disputed the schedule might be heavier then in other schools because that is not the point as none one here was trying to say that ECC was better then other places...

[Dalton]

[Homer]

[Dalton]

I disagree that YBM is a good gig for anyone. Signing there perpetuates bad contract conditions. Signing at any school with problematic conditions does this.

Just because you know teachers that work Saturdays does not mean that it's a shared experience among all foreigners here. I know no-one at this time who works Saturdays. I'm hardpressed to find a job ad stating it. This is the same as knowing someone who liked or likes working at YBM means that everyone else does or will. That's the only gaping hole in any argument in this thread. And it's all yours.

As for my gaping hole- Wishful thinking. I believe we've already established pretty decisively that you misread my arguments from day one.

I fail to see any advantage in working there at all. It perpetuates bad working conditions just as rewarding a dog for pe eing on the fine carpet will result in more pe eing or worse.

Obviously it's a just silly to try to make an argument that newbies should start at YBM. What reasons are there? It's clear that you have just as much a chance of being jerked around as anywhere else. You get paid less and you work more- including Saturdays! You don't get paid vacations or holidays provided for by law. Why should anyone blindly accept that every single YBM is better organized or has friendlier co-workers etc. than every other school in Korea?

We pay less, you work more, but hey we're really nice! How incredibly absurd that is.

It's always about the number of hours and the pay. Low hours, high pay.
It's impossible to know the working environment until you've been working there. You can always ask a former teacher but not where YBM is concerned. They get a 500,000 bounty if they can bring you into the fold.

Anyone reading this board over the years knows that bragging rights belong to those who work the least hours for the most pay just as it is in any country for any job. All the other conditions are subjective and variable over time and thus are not persuasive to the thinking person.

Where's the contract?
What are you afraid of?
Does anyone else really teach on Saturdays in Korea anymore?
Who else's contract states that you don't get paid vacation or paid national holidays?
YBM deal-95 hrs a month, 6 day work week, 135 classes a month, 1.9 or less
Common deal-91.16 hrs a month, 5 day work week, 120 classes a month, 1.9 or more.

[Homer]

There is more to a job then pay Dalton.

Sorry you cannot see that.

I recognized the validity of some of youe arguments, but you do not have the honesty to recognize that you were wrong on certain issues or that the opinions and experiences of others differ from your conception of things and are just as valid then yours.

That in my view is basic dishonesty or simple idiocy.

Argument closed as this is going nowhere.

You may have the last word here as this is it for me, no more time to waste trying to explain simple things like this to you.

[Dalton]