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sparkx
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: thekimchipot.com
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 Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Feel free to pm me anytime if you don't wish to be forced to run the very crappy gauntlet these seemingly self-appointed and mostly unqualified Guardians Of The Integrity Of Teaching In Korea seem compelled to lay down out of nothing more I suspect than fear, jealousy, or just plain boredom |
Yep, you're right I am unqualified. Hell, I'm not even a teacher. But i do come from a family of educators. Both of my parents were principals turned superintendants.
When i finished university i had friends, who had just completed teachers college, talk to my mom to get help with their upcoming interviews.
The advice given was:
"There will be questions related to xxxxx"
"You may want to make reference to xxxxx"
"You should stress the importance of xxxxx"
"Highlight your experience in xxxxx"
Most of the time my mom knew the principals and knew exactly what they were looking for in a staff member. Why then didn't she say, "Ok, here are the questions. The answers are _____________. Memorize these answers and the job will be yours"?
Simple -- because it compromises the integrity of the profession you claim to be the champion of while undermining the whole nature of the interview process (ie. selecting those who are qualified and capable of teaching). |
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: ����
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Sparkx,
I've got to admit, you're one smart cookie. |
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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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I've made my point here, the examples being put forth to show that the sharing of teaching knowledge is conditional are becoming preposterous. I am not going to waste my time going in circles about this on an ESL teaching website.
I can only hope that any teachers (newbie or not/qualified or not) lurking on the boards out there trying to get jobs don't feel too intimidated by those here who have nothing more to contribute than judgemental cynicism when someone asks for help. Either help, or STFU.
Feel free to pm me anytime if you don't wish to be forced to run the very crappy gauntlet these seemingly self-appointed and mostly unqualified Guardians Of The Integrity Of Teaching In Korea seem compelled to lay down out of nothing more I suspect than fear, jealousy, or just plain boredom. |
You know, you just don't get it. However, how's this for irony....
I, one of those unqualified people that is fearful or jealous of other posters (or bored), actually do send PM to loads of people (and chat via MSN) to help out.
Ironic? No....but this is....
Just ask Shawner/Holden what I did just last week....you remember him, the OP. Whilst reading his site/blog (for the first time), I came across an entry about kindy teaching. I took the time out of my busy schedule (finals last week and had 3 20-page essays due) to send him a PM with info. and advice..that he never asked for. I even told him of about 6-7 million won worth of teaching supplies we have in Korea (stored)...though I don't recall if I explained that I'd let him swing by to check it all out to get some ideas (or just steal them).
I'll wager you still won't get it, and revert to silly name calling.
!Shoosh
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Mankind
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I've made my point here, the examples being put forth to show that the sharing of teaching knowledge is conditional are becoming preposterous. |
Just preposterous!!! Just preposterous!!! I say!!! You think it's preposterous to help a student cheat but not a teacher? Some moral example you set. You are such a hippocrit. I don't think you're quite the teaching example you set yourself up to be. 
Little miss high and mighty, better than all of us, openly encourages and supports unqualifed and unprepared people getting teaching jobs. I guess thats so she can attack them all later as unqualifed no-nothings like the rest of us.
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I am not going to waste my time going in circles about this on an ESL teaching website.
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Ya, that'd be just stupid. Discussing the morals of teaching and getting teaching jobs on a teaching website. 
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inthewild
Joined: 28 Mar 2004
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Guys stop proving canuckistan right... |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| I beg to differ. Good suggestions concerning good teaching methods-same same. How dare he post such a thing on an ESL teaching website! |
You can beg to differ all you want, it doesn't mean you're right. As I've aleady stated and we can all see, he was asking for answers to questions. He wasn't asking on how to improve himself, but how to impress the people asking the questions.
The problem here is that you didn't read it as that. You claim that it was an exercise in self-improvement. We all agree and can plainly see it wasn't.
Then when faced with the problem that you ran off into left field accidentally, you decide to start insulting me like it's some sort of amateur hour. Did we damage you honour by pointing out your mistake and now we must suffer your wrath? I know I'm crying on the inside due to the harsh words you've thrown at me.
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| Do indulge us please, I look forward to the responses coming from such an uber-informed and qualified ESL teaching source such as yourself, there will undoubtedly be Things We Never Thought Of About The ESL Classroom. |
Zing. I mean it, zing. Zing zing zoom! You're a machine and you're raging at me. I can't handle that kind of pressure. I think I just wet my pants. Yes, yes I did. You keep that rage alive!
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| I've made my point here, the examples being put forth to show that the sharing of teaching knowledge is conditional are becoming preposterous. I am not going to waste my time going in circles about this on an ESL teaching website. |
That's cute. First you underscore that you didn't actually read what was being asked, and then you insult people who didn't make the same mistake as you. After you learn that you made a mistake, you call us jerks and do a "screw you guys, I'm going home" routine.
Why are you plagiarizing eight year old children?
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| Either help, or STFU. |
I gave the greatest advice in the entire universe in this thread. I suggested that the person actually learn what would be best to do based on the work environment that they will be in, and then give answers based on that.
And that's why I'm the captain of the team. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| And that's why I'm the captain of the team. |
Oooh ooh ooh...can I be on the team Gord? I'll even teach you secret handshakes and and and.....
!Shoosh
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sparkx
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: thekimchipot.com
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Sparkx,
I've got to admit, you're one smart cookie |
If that��s sarcasm prosodic, I��m gonna have to throw this machine into super shiite talking mode. I'll torch this village and molest every orphan child that comes within a foot of me.
Damn, the artillery I unload will make Ron Jeremy blush. |
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: ����
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| prosodic wrote: |
Sparkx,
I've got to admit, you're one smart cookie |
If that��s sarcasm prosodic, I��m gonna have to throw this machine into super shiite talking mode. I'll torch this village and molest every orphan child that comes within a foot of me.
Damn, the artillery I unload will make Ron Jeremy blush. |
Sparkxy, if I was going to call you stupid, I would do it directly. I respect you that much. Look back on the first page of the thread. You'll see that we're in complete agreement on this issue. |
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sparkx
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: thekimchipot.com
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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I know...just playin' man.
Just feeling a little evil today and looking for any good reason to storm into a thread, shatter someones spirits and hopefully ruin their weekend in the process (not you...I just wanted to use your post as a catalyst)
Where's royjones at? |
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shawner88
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Ryst Helmut wrote: |
Just ask Shawner/Holden what I did just last week....you remember him, the OP. Whilst reading his site/blog (for the first time), I came across an entry about kindy teaching. I took the time out of my busy schedule (finals last week and had 3 20-page essays due) to send him a PM with info. and advice..that he never asked for. I even told him of about 6-7 million won worth of teaching supplies we have in Korea (stored)...though I don't recall if I explained that I'd let him swing by to check it all out to get some ideas (or just steal them).
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Hey, I remember that stunning e-mail. That was real nice of you, shoosh. |
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shawner88
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Caught red-handed |
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What a funny "coincidence" that apparently both Holden and Shawner88 are both originally from New York, both had lived south of Seoul and in Pusan, both enjoy music, writing, reading, both are interested in publishing a book,and both applied to the same job Take a second and compare prior posts to see for yourself. Quite the laugh!!!!
There's nothing wrong with being honest from the get-go and posting the job interview questions under your real name (Shawner88). Or, is it you're too embarrased and ashamed with yourself that a Self Proffesed expert in Korean Life and the ESL scene, with an Education degree and the notorious "bag of word puzzles" can't handle a simple interview  ?
Nevertheless, nice attempted cover-up. Better luck next time 
Can you say.....SOCK PUPPET  ??? |
Hey that Holden sounds like a swell guy.  Hey. Holden let's meet up for a beer and do some word search puzzles! |
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: ����
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| sparkx wrote: |
I know...just playin' man.
Just feeling a little evil today and looking for any good reason to storm into a thread, shatter someones spirits and hopefully ruin their weekend in the process (not you...I just wanted to use your post as a catalyst)
Where's royjones at? |
Man, if I'd known you were just looking to pick a fight, I would have replied completely differently. Well, it's never too late to make up for a mistake, right? So here, I'll make everything whole with you.
Sarcasm???? Hell yeah. I'm surprised you wuz bright 'nough to catch on to it. You sure is one dumb@ss.
Just feel the love sparkxy. Feel the love. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I think there is a real point being missed here |
It is clear that it is all of you sniveling, unqualified "experts" who are unfit to teach. |
I have a couple of questions for you:
(1) Weren't you the mod that posted "unfortunately there are posters on these boards who contribute little more than to sit around waiting to jump on others and flame away. Do not be surprised that this behaviour will be tolerated far less in the future" .
(2) Let's say our boy memorizes the answers, and then when he gets there, they pepper him with a completely new sequence of questions. What happens then?
There is a difference between sharing teaching methods and techniques and seeking specific answers to specific questions which are designed to weed out unfit applicants.
As for "being unfit to teach" most people here teach in hakwons. These institutions only require a B.A. which most people here have. |
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