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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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Wae.
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Ryst Game On Helmut |
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trevorcollins
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| Gord wrote: |
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| I would assume someone who's been married to a Korean for years would have a more valid insight concerning this than someone who is just basing their answer on guess work and hearsay. Wouldn't you ? It's the equivilent of a Mathmatics professor explaining a complex formula and then having a second grader agree with the theory. Not particularly useful, helpful or often overly accurate. |
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What's this puddle of vomit, sunshine ?
Slow and "loveless" Saturday night for you again, hey ? |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| What's this puddle of vomit, sunshine ? |
I was very politely stating that your position was that of a strawman. Instead of saying why my position was wrong, you went out and attacked a different position and then said that because the different position was flawed that my position was flawed. Thus a strawman argument.
There is a substantial difference in asking someone why they say "why" in Korean when asked a question instead of saying "what" and getting an answer of "In Korean when asking someone a question, one replies with 'why' (why do you want me?) instead of 'what' (what do you want)". and your example of a child commenting on a complicated math problem they are exceptionally unlikely to understand in the slightest. In short, a strawman.
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| Slow and "loveless" Saturday night for you again, hey ? |
Is your clock broken? I posted it at 1pm. You'll note that there are no messages on this forum from Saturday evening. |
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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Gord for President!
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Ody
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here
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Yes, it's Konglish. In Korean they say "��?" in response to being called on in class. I think it's cute, too, but try to encourage them to say "what?" Saying "why?" is just one more bad habit to break.  |
i for one would advise against teaching kids to say, "what" when called upon. it sounds rude. |
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Two other examples that spring to mind are the overuse and misuse of the words 'delicious' and 'funny'. They're trying to translate ���ִ� and �����ִ�. Try explaining why they can't or that English has no direct equivalent of �����ִ�.  |
Sorry to be anal...
Not �����ִ� but ����ִ�. |
Sorry, typo. Honest. 
If you want to be anal, there's plenty of opportunity in this forum in the form of spelling and grammar mistakes in English. |
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waterbaby
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Baking Gord a Cheescake pie
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Gord rocks 
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trevorcollins
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Gord for President!
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Yeah sure why not, seems like people have pretty low expectations these days, surely he couldn't do any worse than the current mob. |
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trevorcollins
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
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| What's this puddle of vomit, sunshine ? |
I was very politely stating that your position was that of a strawman. Instead of saying why my position was wrong, you went out and attacked a different position and then said that because the different position was flawed that my position was flawed. Thus a strawman argument.
There is a substantial difference in asking someone why they say "why" in Korean when asked a question instead of saying "what" and getting an answer of "In Korean when asking someone a question, one replies with 'why' (why do you want me?) instead of 'what' (what do you want)". and your example of a child commenting on a complicated math problem they are exceptionally unlikely to understand in the slightest. In short, a strawman.
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| Slow and "loveless" Saturday night for you again, hey ? |
Is your clock broken? I posted it at 1pm. You'll note that there are no messages on this forum from Saturday evening. |
Proved my point little boy, good job. |
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| trevorcollins wrote: |
| Gord wrote: |
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| What's this puddle of vomit, sunshine ? |
I was very politely stating that your position was that of a strawman. Instead of saying why my position was wrong, you went out and attacked a different position and then said that because the different position was flawed that my position was flawed. Thus a strawman argument.
There is a substantial difference in asking someone why they say "why" in Korean when asked a question instead of saying "what" and getting an answer of "In Korean when asking someone a question, one replies with 'why' (why do you want me?) instead of 'what' (what do you want)". and your example of a child commenting on a complicated math problem they are exceptionally unlikely to understand in the slightest. In short, a strawman.
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| Slow and "loveless" Saturday night for you again, hey ? |
Is your clock broken? I posted it at 1pm. You'll note that there are no messages on this forum from Saturday evening. |
Proved my point little boy, good job. |
He's not a little boy and you don't have a point. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Ody wrote: |
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| Yes, it's Konglish. In Korean they say "��?" in response to being called on in class. I think it's cute, too, but try to encourage them to say "what?" Saying "why?" is just one more bad habit to break. |
i for one would advise against teaching kids to say, "what" when called upon. it sounds rude. |
True that. It's probably equally rude in Korean to answer your teacher that way. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Proved my point little boy, good job. |
Your point was that you engage in strawman arguments and that your clock is broken? |
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trevorcollins
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Gord wrote: |
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| Proved my point little boy, good job. |
Your point was that you engage in strawman arguments and that your clock is broken? |
Check your PM box in a minute please sir. We have some things to discuss. |
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trevorcollins
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| He's not a little boy |
Fine, matthewwoodton. Little girl then. . I guess you know better than I do. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Equating �� with "why" is an example of the naive lexical hypothesis, which means "assuming that as word in a second language corresponds exactly with a word in one's own language."
The naive lexical hypothesis is the bane of every foreign language teacher. I am sure that most of you have had trouble convincing students that "bicycle" and "tricycle" are two different words for ������ or that "squirrel" and "chipmunk" are two different words for �ٶ���.
In my first-year French class, the teacher told us that place meant "square." Perhaps she should have told us that it meant "plaza," because we tried to insult each other with the words place tete, which we thought meant "square head."
I am as guilty of the naive lexical hypothesis as anyone else. In South America, I once said that a woman was agresiva, which I assumed could mean "aggressive" in the liberated sense. That brought a chorus of frightened giggles. |
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