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Eazy_E



Joined: 30 Oct 2003
Location: British Columbia, Canada

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 5:48 pm    Post subject: ESL teaching on the resume back home Reply with quote

I'm due to head home in a little over three weeks after finishing my first year in Korea, and I'm anxious to have a break. I have a feeling though, that I'll be wanting to head back to Korea after seeing my friends and family, and having my fill of watching hockey and eating cheese.

I have no intentions of becoming a lifer here, and teaching EFL is something that I've chosen to do just to save money and see the world. I'm a little worried about what impact two years abroad may have on my resume when I go back home. I have a BA, and whatever I choose to do for a career back in Canada will probably involve more training or education. It may not be in the teaching field.

Has anyone had any experiences, positive or negative, in job-hunting in their own country after more than one year teaching English in Korea? How did employers look at your resume after that? Was the experience here something that they looked on favourably?
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discostar23



Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Location: getting the hell out of dodge

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know, you need two years experience to get in with the language institutes in Canada. Also two years experience can count towards getting an ECE diploma. I have also heard tales of people getting actual teaching job just from ESL experience. Two years is far better then one...
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Arthur Fonzerelli



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish you the best Easy-E. I'm going back early next year myself and I have the same questions you do.

I did a stint in korea in 2001 and went back to the US (East Coast) to find that employers/recruiters didn't take my experience in Korea seriously at all. It was pretty much irrelevant to them.

I have a BA and was targeting IT jobs. I had an IT job before I went to Korea and thought I could jump back into it after a year in Korea. I was wrong.

It's hard enough finding jobs when your in-country - staying a year overseas teaching english will set you back one year behind your competition for experience in your chosen field of work.

My opinion is that being in Korea really keeps you out of the loop of what's going on in your hometown. Things change, people move on, companies change...and the worse part is when you come back you're left behind trying to catch up to everyone else who has moved on...

ESL money in Korea is good because employers know you're sacrificing ALOT to come half way around the world to teach some spoiled brats or if you're luck some semi-decent adults...

After 3 more years here, I'm going back to my hometown and am committed to staying and working hard to re-establish my career. I plan on taking classes at my local community college in computer science and getting a second bachelors degree in computer science..

For me, teaching English was just a way to travel and see Asia. I know I could never make a career out of it. I would just have to many regrets at the end of my life if I did..
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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: ����

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arthur Fonzerelli wrote:
I wish you the best Easy-E. I'm going back early next year myself and I have the same questions you do.

I did a stint in korea in 2001 and went back to the US (East Coast) to find that employers/recruiters didn't take my experience in Korea seriously at all. It was pretty much irrelevant to them.


2001/2002 was a particularly tough period for finding work in the U.S. The economy had bottomed out and the tech sector was hit harder than a lot of other sectors. You were competing with a lot of individuals who had recently been laid off due to industry consolidation. Also, IT is a field where skills become out of date extremely fast.

The economy is in the middle of its recovery at the moment. The recovery supposedly started about 15 months ago, but the first year plus of corporate earnings growth was due mainly to cost-cutting. The recovery is currently backsliding just a little bit, but mainly because corporate earnings expectations were unrealistically high and the reality is making investors skittish. Over the next year or so, I expect companies to expand and hire.

Still, IT doesn't look particularly promising. The industry is in the process of outsourcing the majority of software design and technical support jobs. The majority of those jobs are being outsourced to India, China, and other countries where wages are significantly lower than the U.S.

Over the course of the next few years, expect the face of IT in the U.S. to completely change. The majority of low-level IT positions will involve network administration and on-site systems maintenance. Jobs that can be done remotely will be increasingly outsourced overseas. This will include database management in addition to software design and telephone technical support.

Instead of taking courses at a community college, you may want to consider a Masters of Science. In general, the most stable IT jobs will probably involve research and development.

I'm not in IT myself, but I try to keep up-to-date on the state of the economy and various industrial sectors as an investor. My views reflect my understanding of the strategic plans of the majority of technology companies.

**Edit for one typo**


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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: ESL teaching on the resume back home Reply with quote

Eazy_E wrote:
I'm due to head home in a little over three weeks after finishing my first year in Korea, and I'm anxious to have a break. I have a feeling though, that I'll be wanting to head back to Korea after seeing my friends and family, and having my fill of watching hockey and eating cheese.

I have no intentions of becoming a lifer here, and teaching EFL is something that I've chosen to do just to save money and see the world. I'm a little worried about what impact two years abroad may have on my resume when I go back home. I have a BA, and whatever I choose to do for a career back in Canada will probably involve more training or education. It may not be in the teaching field.

Has anyone had any experiences, positive or negative, in job-hunting in their own country after more than one year teaching English in Korea? How did employers look at your resume after that? Was the experience here something that they looked on favourably?


You'd be surprised about just how favourably teaching experience in Korea can be viewed by some employers in North America. They assume that teaching helped you to develop your communication skills and your presentation skills. They also assume that you are used to working independently and managing people (you have to manage students after all). You and I know that isn't necessarily true, but they don't.

Like I wrote to the Fonz, timing is crucial. I don't know about Canada for sure, but I can tell you that the overall job market in the U.S. is still weak. While the official unemployment figures appear to be relatively low, those figures mask large segments of the population that do not get counted. The official figures include only active jobhunters who file for unemployment benefits. There are countless people who were laid off in the recession of 2000 who either ran out of unemployment benefits (limited amount of time in the U.S.) or gave up on finding a job. Now that the economy is recovering, many of those people are starting the jobhunt anew.

If you're open to training for a new career, I would suggest something health-care related. The U.S., and probably Canada too, is facing a shortage of nurses and medical assistants. Facilities are paying high signing bonuses for trained nurses. And don't worry, it's no longer considered to be a woman's profession.

**Edit for one typo**


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catman



Joined: 18 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all the outsourcing going on you might find yourself working in another foreign country before you know it, India.
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Eazy_E



Joined: 30 Oct 2003
Location: British Columbia, Canada

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:21 am    Post subject: Re: ESL teaching on the resume back home Reply with quote

prosodic wrote:
You'd be surprised about just how favourably teaching experience in Korea can be viewed by some employers in North America. They assume that teaching helped you to develop your communication skills and your presentation skills. They also assume that you are used to working independently and managing people (you have to manage students after all). You and I know that isn't necessarily true, but they don't.

Like I wrote to the Fonz, timing is crucial. I don't know about Canada for sure, but I can tell you that the overall job market in the U.S. is still weak. While the official unemployment figures appear to be relatively low, those figures mask large segments of the population that do not get counted. The official figures include only active jobhunters who file for unemployment benefits. There are countless people who were laid off in the recession of 2000 who either ran out of unemployment benefits (limited amount of time in the U.S.) or gave up on finding a job. Now that the economy is recovering, many of those people are starting the jobhunt anew.

If you're open to training for a new career, I would suggest something health-care related. The U.S., and probably Canada too, is facing a shortage of nurses and medical assistants. Facilities are paying high signing bonuses for trained nurses. And don't worry, it's no longer considered to be a woman's profession.

**Edit for one typo**


Thanks for the info prosodic. Although I'm willing to go back to school to get more training, I think another four-year bachelor's degree is quite out of the question. My sociology degree can get me a job doing stats, but that's only slightly more exciting than watching my fingernails grow. I guess a lot of people face the temptation to just do another year in Korea to avoid facing up to the "real world", and I refuse to believe that I'm one of those people... so far.
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Zenpickle



Joined: 06 Jan 2004
Location: Anyang -- Bisan

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arthur Fonzerelli wrote:


I did a stint in korea in 2001 and went back to the US (East Coast) to find that employers/recruiters didn't take my experience in Korea seriously at all. It was pretty much irrelevant to them.

I have a BA and was targeting IT jobs. I had an IT job before I went to Korea and thought I could jump back into it after a year in Korea. I was wrong.



I doubt the ESL on your resume hurt you. It was that you were looking for an IT job while the economy was in the cr_apper. I was in the IT industry and finally gave up on finding anything lasting more than three months and got sick of the even longer periods of job hunting. Ironically, the only IT job I got last year was a week teaching Flash and multimedia to tech school kids. Ah, what a role model I musta been.

Teaching in Korea was my worst case scenario job that I had on the back burner. I was planning on coming here for a year until the economy got back up and running in the States. But I think something in the kimchi has created a chemical imbalance in my brain, and I'm actually thinking of making my stay here longer, especially if I can go into proofreading or something more attuned to my Communications degree and my background as a tech writer.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm an ESL teacher, so it's not a problem on the resume. And in ESL, more so than other teaching fields, it's accepted that you might spend part of your career abroad. And...the time spent in Korea has been added onto my license as years of experience (which means a higher pay scale.)
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Blind Willie



Joined: 05 May 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I went back last year, the only thing my Korean experience on my resume got me was "You were in Korea for two years? How interesting"

It's like getting a PhD, the only thing it's good for is to produce more people with PhDs. In this case, it's only good to get you a job teaching in Korea.

*edit*

I'm going to have to add a disclaimer to this. It's only good if you're not dealing with a shady business. Otherwise, they dont want someone who knows better
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philinkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:21 am    Post subject: i think it depends on the field you see yourself Reply with quote

well ive just started my second year in korea now teaching adults after kids the first year. im interested in counselling, social work possibly teaching. i feel living in korea is developing skills fine in that area.

i feel this year will be my last year but i feel confident that in terms of the money ive saved here and my experience will help me in the future.
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fusionbarnone



Joined: 31 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I may offer some advice, I wouldn't discount your teaching experience as ALL experience is valuable. Besides, if you total the number of people you know back home that have worked in a foreign land, you would find you represent perhaps 2% of your people you know personally who've had the drive to do it. Convert this to the national average and you are hanging with Zeus. This alone is a marketable fact.

Every job has key words integral to describing what duties and skills are required. Regardless of what your applying for, isolate the skills needed for teaching. Then, visit your local library for a book on resume examples for the job you want. Look at the skills section on the example/s(look at more than one) and try to list skills you actually acquired during your O.E./teaching(people skills/management,etc) and marry them up with what you have(include all voluntary stuff too). It's been said "what's in a name?", with resumes, it can be quite a lot,so, if a skill you have appears to have at least a 70% resemblance to what could help in the job, add it(complete with new job description keyword title.

Although some resume experts may have varying viewpoints about the personal section/sports/free-time activities(find out what the age group of your new co-workers are, what they're into/interested in, do, etc) is really an opportunity for you to let your new friends know you walk the walk and talk the talk, just like them. The "ideal applicant is usually someone who is very likely to fit in( even job skills don't have to be 100% as they'll prefer to teach you anyway). It never ceases to amaze me when a client aces the field (sometimes as high as 500 applicants) all because the company likes the fact that they are good sportspersons (read company loves a particular sport and just loves to kick the asses of their rival business competitors).

An interesting book to read is "Working in a war zone" by Jeff Green, which is all about getting those high paid(dangerous) jobs in war zones. His "makeover" on transfering your acquired skills to civilian skills(learned people skills in highly volatile situations/possible death if unsuccessful)have both smarts and impact and should give you an idea about how to "revise/review" and "present" your skills subsets, and ultimately yourself in a more enhanced thought-catching/reader's interest provoking way.

As an example of skills marketability, I once had a client who had a vast collection of after school/between university jobs(seemingly unrelated but not irrelevant) including caring for a laboratory insect habitat, seeking an entry level position with the diplomatic service, she got the job.
All skills are marketable. Good luck.[/b]
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MissCanada



Joined: 26 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:59 pm    Post subject: Just a thought for you Reply with quote

Hi there,

Having worked with a lot of recruiters lately for North American jobs, I can tell you that they are looking for people will skills they can easily market.

I suggest using words including "management", "project coordinator", "project manager", "foreign relations specialist", "administrator", "marketing advisor" etc... Your experience is only as good as you can market it, and when you put pen to paper, you'll realize you've accomplished much more than you think.

I wish you the best of luck in your transition back home Smile

V.
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