Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Is videochat teaching legal?
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
giantyogurt



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Calgary, AB

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:30 pm    Post subject: Is videochat teaching legal? Reply with quote

A few friends of mine are trying to think of a business model that will bring ESL teachers and students together both online/offline using the video chat technology. I know many of you have part time jobs and have a few hours a day that you could use to make some extra money. To differ from other businesses that are already doing it, we're looking for ways to give teachers full flexibility to decide when,what,who and how to teach English. Think of a free online market where you put up your hours and type of education you can provide and students come to purchase your services. This way you get greater exposure of yourself to other potential students and have the freedom to choose what to do and when to do it. A little feedback system will also help bring up the quality of teaching.

My question is, would it be legal and feasible to have E-2 visa holders teach English over the Internet? They don't need to be physically present at any specific place and all they need is a computer with the Internet connection, headset and a webcam. I'd like to know your opinions on this business model especially among those who have the experience in online English teaching.

All your input will be greatly appreaciated.
Thanks.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
pet lover



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: not in Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This post serves no purpose.

Last edited by pet lover on Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:16 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
manlyboy



Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a great idea! I don't know about the legal ramifications, but I do know that it's dangerous for a businessman to stand between a tax collector and his cut of the money! Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Homer
Guest




PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great point...why come to Korea at all if you can be anywhere to do this online teaching?

Kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it?

Also video teaching is not the same as in person teaching and the quality will be affected.
It will also require top notch computers with high speed internet and no glitches, hence system administrators and techs to keep the network running.
This will reuire permits and taxes will have to be paid.

Looks more complicated then beneficial to me.
Back to top
ThePoet



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
Also video teaching is not the same as in person teaching and the quality will be affected.


Do you have any actual studies to back this statement up? I graduated with a Master of Distance Education in 2002, and the work I did over 12 courses and a thesis in three years all seemed to indicate that, given the correct conditions and audience, distance education can be just as effective as traditional classroom teaching. It can also be more effective including aspects such as:

1. Classroom interaction can be more beneficial to both the student and teacher in both synchronous and asynchronous modes.

2. Student satisfaction can be heightened due to the fact that they can learn at their own time, pace and in their own famiiar surroundings.

3. Distance education can be delivered in a more cost effective manner.


Quote:
It will also require top notch computers with high speed internet and no glitches, hence system administrators and techs to keep the network running.
This will reuire permits and taxes will have to be paid.

Looks more complicated then beneficial to me.


Again, this is not true. Many programs can be effectively platformed at 28.9 bps in some cases (especially for asynchronous delivery). However, many synchronous modes will run at the same slow speeds with minor inconveniences. Take a look at the platforms afforded by WebCT, CentraONE, and Blackboard.

I am sorry, I have normally made it a guideline of mine not to point out inaccuracies in blanket statements, but this is something I do know something about, and the proposal by the OP should be encouraged if it is done right and with a lot of thought put into it. The trend over the next 50 years will be to use MORE distance modes...not less.

Poet
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:41 pm    Post subject: taxes Reply with quote

Money is earned...so taxes must be paid. You may start to make money but then some government is going to want their share. You can't be sucessful and avoid taxes.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThePoet wrote:
Homer wrote:
Also video teaching is not the same as in person teaching and the quality will be affected.


, given the correct conditions and audience, .

Poet



This quote is key. Neither "conditions" or "audience" tend to be anywhere near "correct" in your typical hakwon.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
PatrickSiheung



Joined: 21 May 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What business entity are you thinking of setting up? It makes a difference. You will have great difficulty setting this up in Korea. You'll have to register the business with your home country. Also... I assume you'll be needing chat technology such as MSN IM? My question is then, why would a teacher really need you? They could just freelance. How exactly do you earn your money? If it's just by connecting people... you need to have a solid plan on how you plan to service people in this way.

There are already companies doing this, and you say you want to be different by letting teachers develop their own teaching methods. It's a little unclear as to how you plan on earning your money.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
giantyogurt



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Calgary, AB

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickSiheung wrote:
What business entity are you thinking of setting up? It makes a difference. You will have great difficulty setting this up in Korea. You'll have to register the business with your home country. Also... I assume you'll be needing chat technology such as MSN IM? My question is then, why would a teacher really need you? They could just freelance. How exactly do you earn your money? If it's just by connecting people... you need to have a solid plan on how you plan to service people in this way.

There are already companies doing this, and you say you want to be different by letting teachers develop their own teaching methods. It's a little unclear as to how you plan on earning your money.



All of my friends have worked in the IT sector in many Korean companies for a number of years and they already have their own servers and equipment running. We just need a feasible business model to really take advantage of it and I happened to have suggested English education using the Internet technology. As to how we would be charging teachers using our service so that we make profit out of it, it's kind of like this:
For convenience we'll call teachers 'sellers' and students 'buyers.' First, both sellers and buyers come to our website to register for the exchange of the service. Then we provide our own conference interface to both parties, whether it's one to one conversation or one to multiple buyers. This is the primary difference in technology. MSN Messenger can only be used for one to one video chat. Of course sellers and buyers can do it privately and we will not be able to stop that. But how can anyone trust anybody? Especially if you're a first time user, how can you trust the buyer will pay for your service? Aside from trust issue, how will you receive the payment if the buyer doesn't know how to use Paypal or doesn't even have a credit card? What would you do if your buyer doesn't show up on time and make you waste your time?

I think if the website provides the convenience and manageability of your online teaching, people would rather save the hassle and use our service. Yes, you'd need a large bandwidth to port the live feed from the seller to multiple buyers simultaneously but I'm sure the network infrastructure in Korea can handle that with ease.

I have forwarded some of your ideas to my friends already and they really appreciate your input. Keep it coming and I will get their answers to you on their behalf. Thanks.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
giantyogurt



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Calgary, AB

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:05 am    Post subject: Re: taxes Reply with quote

bellum99 wrote:
Money is earned...so taxes must be paid. You may start to make money but then some government is going to want their share. You can't be sucessful and avoid taxes.


My partner's looking into the legal aspect of it, so we'll see what happens.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
PatrickSiheung



Joined: 21 May 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So basically you will provide the interface for these live video teaching sessions?

What kind of software will the teachers need to get their video to all of their students. Don't they need to be hardwired somehow to your systems? I'm not sure how this works.

You'll have to look into liability issues too. It doesn't sound like you will be regulating the teaching programs or policing the teachers at all. You should look into how you will handle any disputes between teachers and students. May I suggest something like EBay does... they have a rating system for all of their sellers and buyers. Perhaps you should allow teachers to be rated by students. This way students can feel confident that teachers will log on at the proper time to teach their classes.

If I were the one setting this up I would try to act as EBay does - as simply a middle man with no accountability or responsibility for any problems that may arise between buyer and seller. You take your fee for teachers and students using your systems and that's where your involvement ends.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Homer
Guest




PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting response poet.

You seem to have direct experience with distance learning.

This still does not solve the question that why would a teacher have to come to Korea to do this video teaching when he or she could do it from Burundi if he or she wished to?

Also, who would regulate the quality of the lessons?

Manage the payments and billing?

Sounds more like a way to maximise revenue and to turn students into consumers buyinmg a product then education itself.

Distance learning does work in certain fields poet...but it is usually supervised and regulated by an Institution.
Back to top
giantyogurt



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Calgary, AB

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickSiheung wrote:
May I suggest something like EBay does... they have a rating system for all of their sellers and buyers. Perhaps you should allow teachers to be rated by students. This way students can feel confident that teachers will log on at the proper time to teach their classes.



That's exactly what I meant by 'feedback' system. It's basically a free market for the participants to choose who to deal with, how much to pay, and when to do it. By implementing feedback system, students will have a better idea about who is a good teacher and who is not.

Teachers need not be in Korea to do this. They can be anywhere they want. But people who reside in Korea may benefit a few things: First, you're likely to have large enough bandwidth to deliver smooth, high-quality video feed as opposed to someone who lives on the other side of the planet having only 15-20KB/s upload speed for majority of the Korean students. Second, if a teacher gains good enough feedback to offer 'offline' classes, there is a possibility that we might consider providing a space for them. This way you will be your own boss, have your own curriculum, schedule, or the ultimate freedom I should say. It's totally upto the individual to make it successful. Third, teachers can collaborate each other as a couple or partners. Perhaps you could get together to play an act or demonstrate real-life conversations. Or maybe you want to bring along a Korean friend to help with translation if you need. The possibilities are endless.

Yes, there are lots of other companies offering similar services. But they lack the kind of flexibility that eBay has; they have fixed number of employees(usually two or three), fixed schedule, fixed pricing, fixed curricula, and best of all, you can't get out when you don't want to do it anymore! I believe in free market and competition because they promote quality products and services. Look at what happened to airline industry in Canada. No competition, no quality control.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
giantyogurt



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Calgary, AB

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickSiheung wrote:
What kind of software will the teachers need to get their video to all of their students.


We will be responsible for developing a proprietary client program. I'm thinking of features like presentation tools, media/website sharing, and everything else that can assist better teaching. It will constantly evolve based on needs.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
PatrickSiheung



Joined: 21 May 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a solid idea. Do you have people in house that can develop this web space? If not... it's going to be costly =\ Have you considered putting together a business plan on paper and seeking out people to invest. It sounds like you'll need some major capital for this project.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International